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YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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This is why it is simpler to set time limits and let the kids do what they want. It’s too much management and friction and negotiation otherwise. For now, I’ve done so anyway: games (even dumb ones) are fine but video is only available under special circumstances (e.g. on an airplane). I’m sure even this very coarse line will eventually erode though.

We had the same rule, and modified it to include type of games. Phone games have time limits, unless it's things like Dragonbox, flow free, or other "educational" games (at least games that require some kind of thinking) approved by us beforehand, including minecraft. Because 99.999% of games for children are just absolute trash stuffed full of ads. Any PC game that is age appropriate gets a pass, but only if it's ev…

> As a non-tech person, the one thing I haven't been able to figure out is how to encourage 'tinkering' in an active way.

Let me know if you ever figure out - I feel I'll be facing the same problem in the next few years.

From my tech person perspective, I agree with your summary: advances in computer tech and consumer product design have done away with tinkering: where it isn't actively discouraged, it's still hard and doesn't seem that fun anymore.

Yes, people will bring up BBC Micro and those 8-bit handheld boards and Arduinos - but the truth is, even if they replicate the experience of 20-30 years ago somewhat, a big part of the motivation (to me) was knowing you're doing something unique, that you can't just trivially buy a ready-made product that does the same thing but much better.

I feel you can't get people to "tinker" in general - this happens when they have a goal and tinkering is the best way to achieve it. For me as a kid, this was building model rockets and writing video games - it's what got me to do electronics and programming. Without such goals, I wouldn't sustain my interest in learning and playing with these things.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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what was surprising to me when I first accidentally stumbled into kids youtube a few years ago by accident was how, for a lack of a better term, fucking weird it is. For example this video from the mentioned channel in the article: https://youtu.be/D1LDPmYoYm4 I don't know what makes this so uncanny, maybe it's the budget animation combined with the nursery rhyme but I can't imagine wanting to watch this as a kid. It…

I guess I'm getting old, when "budget animations" look better than Toy Story.

To be fair the original Toy Story animation does not hold up well at all.

I recall reading somewhere that the whole reason they went with toys as the main characters was because animation tech at the time made everything look like plastic anyways.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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As a parent, screen time vs no screen time is a fine line that we have to continually renegotiate. Screens can be great, there is so much good information out there that can enrich our lives. I wouldn't go the "no screens ever" route because that's just being a luddite, robbing them of the change to experience, and acquire expertise in, the digital world that they will be interacting with for the rest of their lives.…

I still think that treating the problem as screen time is the wrong approach. It is too low resolution. What happens on the screen matters. Many parents end up using screen time as a very blunt tool because we simply lack better tools. But curating content as a family is close to unfeasible because it goes against sponsored algorithmic curation to which others are still exposed and once a kid is socialized they face…

I think the solution wrt youtube would be supervised browsing and then adding approved videos to jellyfin/plex. or even a folder on their device if you don't want to get fancy.

above all, I would try explaining how media sites try to capture your attention and helping kids recognize when it's happening. easier said than done of course.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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We do something similar and cap the time on screens. Also, if the kids start showing signs of wanting screens too much, we refocus them on something else- sometimes for several days or more. When they ask why, we remind them that screens are a tool for us to use, not the other way around-- and it's time to take a break. In fairness, we do this for anything they get overly attached to that could be harmful in excess.

I hope you're also a role model for this. Do you take multi-day breaks from screens, and take care to avoid wanting screens too much? I'm spending most of my leisure time in front of a screen. Explaining to my children why it's OK for me and not for them would be the hardest part for me.

I do take breaks from things I start to like too much, yes. Currently that's a few months from alcohol.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Re >> " Plenty of parents have the same debate in their own minds, or with partners and friends: Is letting kids use screens all right, and if so for how long? " As an anecdote, my mom would only allow me 15 minutes at a time of Tetris on the household GameBoy. My views on kids & screentime is pretty conservative, especially when they're younger, but my mom was down-right draconian!

And your GameBoy wasn’t designed with psychiatrists on the team to improve the addictiveness/retention/click-rate. It’s important to remember that todays screens aren’t the screens of yore, but quite a lot more devious. It’s fairly obvious that any negative impact of that would be larger on impressionable young minds.

It's funny that you bring this up. I think it is a very good point, and it's very accurate. Especially on mobile games and games like farmville, age of empires mobile, etc.... I say it's funny because it's specifically the reason that I can't stand them. I feel like it's always a carrot-and-stick, and the carrot is always moving, uncatchable - but you can get closer to the carrot briefly if you drop more coin in game. I get burned out. Give me SimCity 2000, Age of Empires II, or Quake Arena, and I'll play until I "get my fill", walk away happy, then come back for more later. I still play Sim City 2000 and AoE II semi regularly. It may be an age thing, having gotten into games so long ago.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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The way children scream for my tablet time worse than they would for a bottle is terrifying. All those dopamine manipulation techniques made for adults are cleaning up with kids.

Frankly, kids want what you have. If it's bad, don't use it yourself! Having kids was the final trigger to make me get rid of my smartphone, although I admit this is an extreme step.

One of the best things my wife and I did was have a "no phones at the table" rule for ourselves long before our kids were of an age to have a phone. It's made enforcing that rule on our teenagers a complete non-issue now.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Curation is key and there need to be better tools. I strongly limit my kid's screen time, and was pleasantly surprised by the PBS kids video app (and to some extent the games app). I felt very comfortable leaving her alone with that at the designated screen times, as most programs had at least some educational component... or at least had some generic but positive moral lessons. And (key!) she gets personal choice in…

I use Plex and just only input shows I want my kids to watch. It's more work, but allows me to have a garden. It's probably not Kosher legally for me to be pirating shows, but I'm only doing shows that I have access to via Netflix, Amazon, HBO etc. So morally, I feel I'm justified.

You also now know where the show resides. Having your content spread over several services is horrible.

I also think the quality is higher when you have it local, though maybe this is wishful thinking.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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post #266

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I still think that treating the problem as screen time is the wrong approach. It is too low resolution. What happens on the screen matters. Many parents end up using screen time as a very blunt tool because we simply lack better tools. But curating content as a family is close to unfeasible because it goes against sponsored algorithmic curation to which others are still exposed and once a kid is socialized they face…

> And now you have become an antagonist. A rule maker to be subverted. Good, then you can teach them to subvert you productively. Keep the tablet locked down, but put an unlocked Linux machine in the house and tell them they can watch whatever they want in Firefox. Once they've done that, make them launch Firefox from the command line. Once that's mastered, make them connect to the wifi manually. Then make them start…

I’m not sure that slicing yourself up assembling a machine is part of computer literacy. If job interviews are anything to go by, computer literacy is a familiarity with trash apps like Teams.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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I use Plex and just only input shows I want my kids to watch. It's more work, but allows me to have a garden. It's probably not Kosher legally for me to be pirating shows, but I'm only doing shows that I have access to via Netflix, Amazon, HBO etc. So morally, I feel I'm justified.

You also now know where the show resides. Having your content spread over several services is horrible. I also think the quality is higher when you have it local, though maybe this is wishful thinking.

Google TV is pretty good with the exception of Netflix. It hits multiple services.

I think most stuff is riped from streaming sources anyways, so I'm not sure if its better or just the same.

Not like 4k Bluey is needed anyway though!

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