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YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by grugagag »

robertlagrant wrote: post #100

I physically removed our only television from the lounge to behind some furniture because our eldest (who was 6) was behaving more and more like a drug addict: alternating wheedling, begging, pleading, shouting, to get television. Once I did that, and he saw it really wasn't an option, he changed quite quickly - after around 3 months - and we have it back now, although there's no screen time except weekends (or if so…

Screen time for weekends only is a good option. We do the same and so far no issues. There was a bit of nagginging at first but if firm kids eventually accept it. Parents who give in to nagging are making a disservice to their own kids

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Post by rich_sasha »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #223
rich_sasha wrote: post #167

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"Necessary" is a strong word. It's acceptable IMO, and my kids like it. If you want some more reasons: - I strongly feel my children have agency, within reason. They like it, more than Disney+, and it's not a strong detractor. - Frankly, most of the YT stuff they watch is, really, more appropriate. Bite-sized sciency or crafty things, with a silly song. Disney+ stuff I could find myself was genuinely either a bit bor…

I get the parallels with past generations but YT is different and you as a parent should be thinking about its specific properties as a platform. It might have some thought-provoking entertainment but it is too huge and assorted, and where I come from, it has been weaponized by corrupt political families to spread historical revisionism packaged as “educational content” which ultimately brought them back to power. Th…

> you as a parent should be thinking about

I'm sure you mean it well, but verbatim, you are in no position to tell me what I should be thinking about, especially as a parent.

I sympathise with your view, but I haven't seen a single anti vax or fiat earth snippet. There is a really nice Canadian lady who builds stuff out of Lego, I quite enjoy it.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by passwordoops »

theshrike79 wrote: post #216
passwordoops wrote: post #175

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"Parent permissions" is how they get around that one for underage kids. It's either a notification through the parent portal or you login with the Google account on the kids tablet. Not sure of the mechanism on iOS, but I imagine it's similar. Once you give permission, it's free reign

Nope, not even parent permission. It's used as one factor to prove that they are not "marketing to children". If you are considered as targeting your product to children, you get hit by a different set of laws than if it's an "adult" product. Source: I just spent a few hours listening to our lawyer give a presentation about this and why we need to be clear in marketing to adults only. Epic got hit with a $245M fine b…

There's marketing and then there's using. Obviously they do restrict certain apps like Tinder and PH, but it's only those that are exclusively 18-over (and Epic since the fine).

Other apps like FB, TikTok, XBox and the rest that no child should go near (or anyone else for that matter) gives a prompt with something along the lines of "Ask your parents for permission". If I say OK, either from my account or by logging in on hers, the app is installed and can be used, even though her profile is under 13. They don't market to kids, but it's still available and still shows up in search.

It would be great if these legal actions do show real restriction for all apps that are rated 13-over, but then no more tablets for kids. That's going to cost manufacturers and ad-driven apps a ton of money so I don't see it happening outside of the FCC going directly after Apple and Google.

Source: I have a kid with an age-restricted tablet and just tested

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Post by thundergolfer »

jackvalentine wrote: post #166
jahsome wrote: post #38

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The most unbelievable thing about this site is to me the inability of users to recognize their language and aversion to, well, everything, is the same carbon copied rhetoric every generation has used to deride the technological Boogeyman of the day.

I take your point, but isn’t it possible that every generation was right because they feared that one day we’d go too far and weren’t sure if we were at that point yet? And one day, we may go too far. We might have already.

There’s a distinct lack of Neil Postman in this HN comment section. given the arguments being made in favor of YouTube here, his most relevant retort would be “educational television doesn’t teach children to love learning, it teaches them to love television.”

It’s in some way the blind leading the blind; television and smartphone addicted parents rationalizing why it’s ok for their kids to be YouTube and IPad addicted.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by grugagag »

notinfuriated wrote: post #130
alxmng wrote: post #104

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But do you watch YouTube or use screens around him? That's my problem with the advice to limit screen time. Why should I be telling my child not to do something that everyone around him is doing?

Because a child doesn't know when to stop. As an adult, I can always feel the pull of real life. If I keep watching YouTube or playing video games I know it's going to impact my job, wife, kid, etc. Some adults aren't even that good at regulating this, but I think kids are, on average, way worse about it. Many don't know real consequences or regrets for failing to manage their time. Although I'll admit I do agree wit…

Many adults don’t know how to stop either. The UI/UX is tailored exactly for that purpose, to make you consume as much as possible. This is my problem with youtube kids, the content may be okay but priming for later is still going on.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by alexvoda »

HlessClaudesman wrote: post #59

As a parent, screen time vs no screen time is a fine line that we have to continually renegotiate. Screens can be great, there is so much good information out there that can enrich our lives. I wouldn't go the "no screens ever" route because that's just being a luddite, robbing them of the change to experience, and acquire expertise in, the digital world that they will be interacting with for the rest of their lives.…

I still think that treating the problem as screen time is the wrong approach. It is too low resolution. What happens on the screen matters. Many parents end up using screen time as a very blunt tool because we simply lack better tools.

But curating content as a family is close to unfeasible because it goes against sponsored algorithmic curation to which others are still exposed and once a kid is socialized they face the problem of peer pressure.

Even if you have a private Jellyfin server that automatically downloads approved fresh content, kids will still complain they do not have access to Youtube like other kids. And now you have become an antagonist. A rule maker to be subverted.

I find that caring parents are put in an impossible position of at the same time trying to maintain trust and also be a curator and censor.

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Post by i67vw3 »

api wrote: post #213
i67vw3 wrote: post #55

Two of my sisters have in total 3 kids (4 to 6 years old) and all three of them need to watch youtube videos while eating. Just few days back, my sister had a 'gathering' to announce her 2nd child (making it total 4 kids combined) and the 3rd kid needed to watch few youtube videos (usually they are of other kids playing or doing some stuff) to eat his dinner, which I found quite odd. This thing is not only related to…

While this isn’t good I certainly recall having TV on during meals when I was a kid in the 1990s and know many older people who eat watching TV. Not sure this is new.

I have replied to another comment on your topic

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34640384

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

ok123456 wrote: post #236

And, TV was the baby sitter of the last three generations. The technologies aren't 1:1, but letting your kids passively consume video seems is just as popular as ever.

And before that children were roaming around the streets for 12 hours because the apartments were too small for 7+ people.

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Post by gambiting »

kelipso wrote: post #212
scotty79 wrote: post #145

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Given the trends, YouTube is probably the mildest thing your kids will experience in their lifetime. Their lives will be shaped by crisis after crisis and their peers will be kids raised on YouTube. The best you can do is keep your kids as out of touch with environment they will lead their lives in as you are.

Kids are going to be exposed to alcohol eventually so let's dose them with increasing amounts of alcohol as they grow up so they'll build up a resistance.

I mean, I figure that you are being sarcastic, but it's absolutely a thing(not the physical resistance to alcohol, obviously, rather a psychological one) - in countries where kids are allowed(and it's socially acceptable) to have a little bit of alcohol with dinner there isn't suddenly a shock when they turn 18 and they can drink so they go on a binge because no one taught them responsibility with the drink. Look at the drinking culture in UK vs France for instance - it's a completely different approach.
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