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Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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$1500 phones might be an issue.

Yes the Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra for $1379.99 is soooo much cheaper. https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-s23-ultra/buy/

Uh...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/samsung-q4-earnings-report-2022...

> South Korean giant saw operating profit drop 69%, hit by falling sales of chips and smartphones as demand for gadgets languishes

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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I don't think it is a price issue, like other commenters. I think the price is in line with previous editions, just adjusted for inflation.

The real reason is that newer versions of iPhone have been utterly meh. Absolutely no new innovations. The screen looks dated. The design is tired. The camera tech has plateaued. Storage sizes have plateaued. Battery life has plateaued. CPU improvements have lost any meaning for the average user, given apples inability to write software that takes advantage of the gains.

So why should I drop $1000 for no meaningful improvement or added use case? If I'm gonna spend that much money I'd rather try the folding phone from Samsung. It's got something new.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

I have the opposite perception of prices. I can buy a $700 to $1,000 iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13, and I know it will work well and receive software updates for at least 5 years. I know this because of many years of experience, and I am using an iPhone XS from 2018 right now. My wife used an iPhone 6 from 2014 to 2018, and we still use it as a baby monitor, I used an iPhone 6S Plus from 2015 to 2020, and my daughter u…

I'm using my Xiaomi from 2019. It cost around 3900rmb. It's going to last another three years.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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I don't think it is a price issue, like other commenters. I think the price is in line with previous editions, just adjusted for inflation. The real reason is that newer versions of iPhone have been utterly meh. Absolutely no new innovations. The screen looks dated. The design is tired. The camera tech has plateaued. Storage sizes have plateaued. Battery life has plateaued. CPU improvements have lost any meaning for…

The one development is the satellite connectivity. For me and my friends, this is a pretty huge feature as most weekends (especially during hunting season), we're far from service with all sorts of injury-causing devices and accident-invoking substances at hand.

Unfortunately, I bought my 12 mini long ago and it's still going strong, and my friend bought the version without satellite because he didn't even know that was an available feature. So good feature, zero uptake. Blame marketing.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

I have the opposite perception of prices. I can buy a $700 to $1,000 iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13, and I know it will work well and receive software updates for at least 5 years. I know this because of many years of experience, and I am using an iPhone XS from 2018 right now. My wife used an iPhone 6 from 2014 to 2018, and we still use it as a baby monitor, I used an iPhone 6S Plus from 2015 to 2020, and my daughter u…

Well, I'm using a Pixel 4a that I bought new off contract for a flat $450 cad or something in 2020. Cracked the screen, replaced it, it'll probably stop getting software updates eventually, but that's not a reason to get new hardware in my mind.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Fast food usually picks up in downturns. It’s the fancier restaurants that lose business.

the workers dont benefit from fast food picking up, just the owners, so fast food employees aren't buying iphones on the bet that its a fast food pick up time.

I worked at McDonald’s through one recession (early 90s) and it…gets busy. At least, fast food workers aren’t in danger of getting laid off during a recession (their business counter cycle’s recessions). See https://m.investing.com/analysis/chart-of-the-day-why-mcdona...

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Fast food usually picks up in downturns. It’s the fancier restaurants that lose business.

I don't think it's right to assume that fast food jobs are a hallmark of job security.

The quote I was replying to was literally

> except if those fast food employees ceases to be employees in a downturn

Which just doesn’t happen in practice. I didn’t make any other claims in my comment.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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post #41

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Yes the Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra for $1379.99 is soooo much cheaper. https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-s23-ultra/buy/

Uh... https://www.wsj.com/articles/samsung-q4-earnings-report-2022... > South Korean giant saw operating profit drop 69%, hit by falling sales of chips and smartphones as demand for gadgets languishes

The point is that this is a cliched lazy trolling point by Android users. iPhones cost more than the cheapest tier of Android devices but once you’re out of that tier the prices are pretty similar, and relatively few people are buying the top-end devices of either variety.

It’s also incomplete because iPhones are much faster and historically have been supported years longer: if you had $200 for a phone, buying an iPhone two generations back will likely get you the same number of years of use. There’s something like a 4 year gap between Apple’s CPU performance and everyone else when it comes to single-threaded performance, and that’s what people notice the most since it affects things like browser speed and people buying cheap phones probably aren’t playing demanding games which are aggressively multicore.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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post #18

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I have the opposite perception of prices. I can buy a $700 to $1,000 iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13, and I know it will work well and receive software updates for at least 5 years. I know this because of many years of experience, and I am using an iPhone XS from 2018 right now. My wife used an iPhone 6 from 2014 to 2018, and we still use it as a baby monitor, I used an iPhone 6S Plus from 2015 to 2020, and my daughter u…

> The amortized cost for me is much less than any alternative Android. I think that with the trade-in program, I've spent a similar amount between 2016 and now upgrading to flagship OnePlus phones every year-ish. The software updates have been good. For example, OnePlus 8 series were the first non-Google smartphones to receive Android 13. They were about 2 years old at the time. The bathtub curve of reliability appli…

> In case of Apple, battery degradation and a bunch of build quality "-gates" come to mind.

It’s important to remember that those were largely media creations, not something which affected a large number people or were problems specific to iPhones. There were so many angry tirades about throttling on degraded batteries which never mentioned that everyone does it because the alternative is the device suddenly shutting off.

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