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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by lizzardbraind » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 5:03 PM UTC

qsort wrote: post #45

TIPSIO wrote: post #31

Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Unlimited AI “grassroots” campaigns. Unlimited AI propaganda from every country and military (perfectly chosen each time). Unlimited AI comments, “friends”, and engagements on every social media platform for your posts. The bigger struggle will be for discovering authenticity…

I see this take a lot and I don't get why this is different from what we have right now. > Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. So basically Twitch as it is? > Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Which is TV right now? > Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Welcome to Twitter. You filter in the same way people always have. Studying, learning, acquiring taste.

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by qsort » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 5:03 PM UTC

akaike wrote: post #73

qsort wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this take a lot and I don't get why this is different from what we have right now. > Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. So basically Twitch as it is? > Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Which is TV right now? > Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Welcome to Twitter. You filter in the same way people always have. Studying, learning, acquiring taste.

I think you missed the point that he/she means AI TV and AI Twitch, not Human TV and Human Twitch, or whatever you want to call it. The point is that the content will be 24/7 AI-generated

I know it's not the same, but the implication is that an influx of effectively unlimited content will change the equation for consumers. I don't think it will: even in the world of human-written books, human-made TV, human-streamed Twitch, content is already effectively infinite, and already almost entirely garbage.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by beezlewax » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 5:04 PM UTC

throwaway4aday wrote: post #90

Too late, ChatGPT isn't going to be the driving force behind inaccurate content on the web, we were there long ago. Google search is almost useless now for anything outside of "places to eat near me" and the blogosphere died long ago and was replaced by ad-rent-seeking recipe sites. All the value has moved on from web pages to small forum enclaves and video. There is a bright future though in direct real time communi…

Google has gotten progressively worse year in year out. Its promoting farmed content of stackoverflow posts riddled with ads over the actual posts. It's making money that way sure but at the dismay if it's users. This I think opens up the space for more niche search engines that actually work for what you're looking for. I'd take a search based off of only indexing sites I actually care about over the dribble it's peddling any day. Bring on the competition

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by fnordpiglet » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 5:06 PM UTC

DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

Maybe information retrieval against unstructured text isn’t the right model? Maybe it’s time for google search to die.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by capableweb » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 5:06 PM UTC

freejazz wrote: post #98

labrador wrote: post #79

I made this comment on a post that got flagged for reasons I don't understand. I don't want to feel like I wasted my time so I'm re-commenting here: I was watching "HyperNormalisation" by Adam Curtis for the second time. In his segment on Eliza, an early example of a chat bot, I realized that Curtis makes a mistake in his interpretation of Eliza. For Curtis it's narcissism that makes Eliza attractive. Curtis levels t…

This is insane. People aren't going to use chatGPT to think, they are going to use it for the opposite. That chatGPT doesn't even know when it's wrong is why this is a problem. The vast majority of projects I've seen purport to replace your needs for other things (developers, lawyers, etc) but not being a domain expert, any such user is not going to be aware of the significant flaws chatGPT has in its answers. Heck,…

> That chatGPT doesn't even know when it's wrong is why this is a problem.

Have you never had a conversation with someone about a topic which they know nothing about, and they say/ask something that is wrong/stupid, but it still raises some question(s) you haven't thought about before?

I kind of think of ChatGPT like that, a dumb friend that is mostly dumb, but sometimes makes my brain pull in a direction I haven't previously explored.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by sho_hn » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 5:06 PM UTC

toyg wrote: post #87

btown wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO it's more vital than ever to fund projects like the Internet Archive. They're the only ones incentivized to maintain a snapshot of un-LLM-clouded training data of human knowledge, unclouded by the hubris of "who cares about the old stuff, we should focus our archiving on the web as it exists today" that inevitably will take hold (or already has) in big tech companies who will have laid off the vast majority of th…

The problem with the Internet Archive, which does an amazing job, is that they do an amazing job despite the problem being fundamentally intractable . Web content expands too quickly and too massively. I wonder if the answer is a network of topic-focused archives; like moving from a "Library of Alexandria" model to a modern nationwide system of libraries.

The curator being bandwidth-limited is not necessarily a problem if the problem you are solving is an overwhelmed audience in need of a curator. In other words, the Archive missing things may not really be a problem if the stuff is not missing is on average of value.

It raises the issue of governance of the curator, but the IA is already more transparent than Goole & co.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by zquzra » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 5:07 PM UTC

All the criticisms I see directed at ChatGPT are met with "the web already sucks". So what revolution awaits us? I just think we're getting closer and closer to a boring dystopia.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by pjc50 » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 5:07 PM UTC

px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advogato tried something pretty similar and ultimately died.

Arguably Twitter with non-algorithmic timeline and a bit of judicious blocking worked really well for this, but even that's on the way out now.

> Any time you publish anything, you're signing that publication with a key that only you hold.

People could in theory have done this at any time in the PGP era, but never bothered. I'm not convinced the incentives work, especially once you bring money in.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by eddsh1994 » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 5:08 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #107

TIPSIO wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, the singularity.

That would be something else, like if someone built a Chat GPT that could train itself and it starts learning at an exponential rate, and learning how to make itself unstoppable by humans.

No AI will survive a solar flare! So we just need to hunker down in Zion and wait for that.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by crawfordcomeaux » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 5:08 PM UTC

I'm so excited about ChatGPT making it much easier to spot people who went through an education system oriented toward learning versus the sit-in-class types. Bring on the fall of the bullshit tower coated in ivory! Hello, schools that help people learn about the Omniverse by playing with the Omniverse!

This is the return of discipline.