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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

#81
>it's not going to be fun

Depends on how you define "fun". Just a few days ago this russian guy defended GPT written diploma and now we have a shitshow going on. Really fun to watch.

https://twitter.com/biblikz/status/1620451262822252544

PS: well, the diploma was not written entirely by GPT, but nevertheless...

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

#82
post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

The problem is this is how social networks work - what you're describing is the classic social media bubble outcome. Everybody and their networks upvotes content from publishers they trust and downvotes content from publishers they don't but half of them trust Fox News and half trust CNN. Then of course the most active engagers/upvoters are the craziest ones, and they're furiously upvoting extreme content.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

#83
post #76

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

You could call it: "AI Kessler syndrome". The internet becomes so full of hallucinating AI output that it becomes impossible to train the model.

Or, the singularity.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

#84
post #31

Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Unlimited AI “grassroots” campaigns. Unlimited AI propaganda from every country and military (perfectly chosen each time). Unlimited AI comments, “friends”, and engagements on every social media platform for your posts. The bigger struggle will be for discovering authenticity…

Will be interesting to see what the post-AI movement will look like. I imagine some subscription service by a company that provides "authentic human generated consumable media" which has everything you listed from songs/tv/movies/news etc created by humans. I can see the early adopters of AI will be the early adopters of this type of service as well having gotten tired of the AI golden age. Truly human made content w…

and the next thing will be a scandal about how said service that was supposed to be AI-free content was actually AI generated (much cheaper), it will flop and then a replacement will come up and do the exact same thing until people get used to AI-free being just a gimmick marketing term.

Just like it has happened with so many terms before it.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

#85

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

It may just be an arms race—the same AI that generates the nonsense also learns to identify and filter it out. Perhaps it'll also take down SEO spam with it. Feels unlikely but Google has an incentive to combat AI spam if people stop clicking on it, and presumably strong in-house AI capability…

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

#86
post #2

Not a super well thought out article. Example: lots of speculative complaints that ChatGPT will lead to an explosion of low quality and biased editorial material, without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT). Ditto with the “ChatGPT gave me wrong info for a query” complaint. Well, how does that compare to traditional search? I’m willing to believe…

It's already pretty bad with Github/SO threads. Guys will scrape threads on GH/SO and repost them to their sites, usually with a ton of ads but the post ranks higher than the original thread so it will come up first when you google an error.

How could it rank higher tho? SO has a huge domain ranking. How an arbitrary website can compete with that?

I always thought it’s the opposite and platforms like SO and Medium incentivise posting there exactly via their crazy domain ranking.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

#87
post #42

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

IMO it's more vital than ever to fund projects like the Internet Archive. They're the only ones incentivized to maintain a snapshot of un-LLM-clouded training data of human knowledge, unclouded by the hubris of "who cares about the old stuff, we should focus our archiving on the web as it exists today" that inevitably will take hold (or already has) in big tech companies who will have laid off the vast majority of th…

The problem with the Internet Archive, which does an amazing job, is that they do an amazing job despite the problem being fundamentally intractable. Web content expands too quickly and too massively.

I wonder if the answer is a network of topic-focused archives; like moving from a "Library of Alexandria" model to a modern nationwide system of libraries.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

#88
Although ChatGPT is going to worsen the problem of garbage information online, I don't think it affects anyone who is willing to learn slowly and deeply.

We are already at the point that only certain books and videos are good references and their golden status is not going to wear down by time.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

#89
post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

What happens if the majority of your group is trusting fake news aka people who exclusively listen to sources like NewsMax. Do you just abandon these people as trapped?

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

#90
Too late, ChatGPT isn't going to be the driving force behind inaccurate content on the web, we were there long ago. Google search is almost useless now for anything outside of "places to eat near me" and the blogosphere died long ago and was replaced by ad-rent-seeking recipe sites. All the value has moved on from web pages to small forum enclaves and video.

There is a bright future though in direct real time communication. There's also a new search and indexing revolution waiting in the wings for whoever wants to lead the charge on distilling or better facilitating those conversations. LLMs will play a part in that if they can get the data of the quality question response interactions and use them to fine tune the models.

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