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Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by dcow »

eatsyourtacos wrote: post #171
tverbeure wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a major contradiction in here. I’m sure you’ll agree that it’d be mindblowingly dumb to not set some kind of company for a bunch of reasons? (Eg limited liability) And that you best leave accounting and tax filings to professionals so that you can spend your precious time on something you love instead? OP’s suggestion automatically flows from that…

>There’s a major contradiction in here. I don't think there is. I wholeheartedly agree with the prior sentiment. Way too much of peoples lives are spent on shit that does not really matter . As a people we have overcomplicated the shit out of everything to such a degree it's disgusting. And it's all based on greed. Optimize this structure to pay the least tax, optimize your income into this and that so it magically m…

The tax code is structured the way it is for a reason. It’s not there to be exploited. It’s there to be followed. DF is a business and labor of love for the two owners. One which generates revenue and is clearly above board. There is nothing wrong with taking dividends as the business becomes more valuable rather than increasing salary. And it’s not some mega tax loophole for the wealthy. By any measure these two aren’t wealthy. It takes 30 min with an accountant it doesn't consume your life and waste time and sap energy to be on top of your books…

Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by jtms »

b4je7d7wb wrote: post #186
izzydata wrote: post #181

What are they going to do next? Perhaps they will start a studio, hire some more people and work on some new endeavors with this money?

I think they will just keep working on df the way they have so far for another 20 years before retiring.

I really hope so, but I also hope they continue to work with the UI team… the Steam version changes have really impressed me!

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Post by lukas099 »

gizmo wrote: post #101
christkv wrote: post #89

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If they are smart the money will be taken out as dividend and thus only pay capital gains tax.

They are smart which is why they are spending their lives working on something they love instead of worrying about tax optimization nonsense.

They don't need to worry about it if they hire people to worry about it for them, which would save them time to work on what they love anyways.

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Post by WXLCKNO »

capableweb wrote: post #205
jliptzin wrote: post #198

I haven’t played it, and I have no doubt it is an amazing game I would enjoy. But how do people have time for all these games? There are so many compelling games out there, each demanding hundreds or thousands of hours of time to fully enjoy.

Every now and then you find some hours to play. I play games maybe less than an hour per day, some free days I play more, with my most played game being Factorio with 175 hours, and I'm proficient in it + feel like I've spent a lot of time playing it, but I also owned it since 2015 or something like that, so 2922 hours available, 175 spent on Factorio so around 0.06 hours per day, calculated that way. I tend to prefe…

I hate that I feel guilty for playing games which require a time investment. Factorio is exactly the type of game I would like to play.

However I'm "stuck" playing games with short matches and no long single player games. It's easy to put 5 minutes into Rocket League because it feels like just a burst of gaming but then you can do 20 games in a row and still put in an hour.

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Post by Akronymus »

thebigspacefuck wrote: post #217
AlwaysRock wrote: post #211

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Maybe. Factorio does a great job of putting out releases and sharing details about what they are working on and you would have thought they were evil incarnate after they recently said they had to raise their price by $5 to keep up with inflation. People are fickle and hindsight isnt always so clear.

Wow, they raised their price? I thought their whole thing was $30 forever because they were never going on sale.

Yeah, because of having inflation close to 20% in the past year where they live.

Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by capableweb »

WXLCKNO wrote: post #226
capableweb wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every now and then you find some hours to play. I play games maybe less than an hour per day, some free days I play more, with my most played game being Factorio with 175 hours, and I'm proficient in it + feel like I've spent a lot of time playing it, but I also owned it since 2015 or something like that, so 2922 hours available, 175 spent on Factorio so around 0.06 hours per day, calculated that way. I tend to prefe…

I hate that I feel guilty for playing games which require a time investment. Factorio is exactly the type of game I would like to play. However I'm "stuck" playing games with short matches and no long single player games. It's easy to put 5 minutes into Rocket League because it feels like just a burst of gaming but then you can do 20 games in a row and still put in an hour.

Don't feel guilty! At this time of year I can only find 30 minutes free here and there, and I'm currently playing Captain of Industry (similar to Factorio), the most important thing is to keep a text document with what you are doing, so you can iteratively get there across days, rather than just in one day. Basically a backlog for your own quests in the game :)

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Post by jtms »

Mengkudulangsat wrote: post #112
bovermyer wrote: post #29

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I disagree vehemently and violently with this suggestion. Dwarf Fortress's charm results from human-crafted procedures interacting in unexpected and fascinating ways. If ChatGPT (or other AI bullshit generators) were used instead, it would change the experience entirely.

You gotta admit DFs name / description generation is just gobbledygook most of the time. Tastefully applied, AI bullshit generators will do wonders to readability.

The gobbledygook is absolutely the point! It’s charming, fun, and gives the game a constant stream of interesting interactions.

Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by jtms »

bovermyer wrote: post #29
Mengkudulangsat wrote: post #11

Please incorporate ChatGPT into this game! Imagine the storylines!

I disagree vehemently and violently with this suggestion. Dwarf Fortress's charm results from human-crafted procedures interacting in unexpected and fascinating ways. If ChatGPT (or other AI bullshit generators) were used instead, it would change the experience entirely.

I violently AGREE with you!
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