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Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by zamadatix »

alxlaz wrote: post #122
davidhyde wrote: post #101

> “Delight customers right from their mobile device with a seamless experience that includes a virtual, branded lobby and easy pre-appointment chatting capabilities.” This refers to the meeting join link and the last time someone sent me a link like this it was not a delightful experience. I ended up mixing up organisations and accounts. An example of a good experience is joining a Jitsi Meet meeting because you don’…

I have zero shame about it so I might as well confess: I have no bloody idea how to use Teams with more than one organisation. I just set up a VM for each one. I am smart enough to automate a minimal install (the bar for that is pretty low, if we're being honest) but apparently not smart enough to use Teams. It's beyond hilarious, two out of three times I end up in the wrong lobby with the wrong people and the wrong…

Depending how deeply you use it for each org a browser profile for each can ve done. If you do it in Firefox you can even do it in 1 window with tabs via containers. Downside is it doesn’t have the native desktop integrations at that point.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by JeremyNT »

denysvitali wrote: post #84
jbm wrote: post #19

The real premium version of Microsoft Teams will be the one that doesn't crash my Google Chrome window every 30-45 minutes.

That's why we're building FossTeams [1], an open source client for Microsoft Teams (: The idea is to have a backend [2], powered by a library [3] that does the heavy lifting and a / multiple frontends to be used with that (e.g: CLI[4], Web frontend[5], Flutter app[6]). We're looking for contributors! If you hate Teams and want to improve an Open Source version, PRs are welcome (: [1]: https://github.com/fossteams [2]…

I appreciate your efforts, because Teams is so terrible, but I'd love to avoid yet another chat application with its own UI. Pidgin is great for consolidating many of these walled garden chat services (e.g. Discord/Slack) into a unified UI, do you have any plans to develop a libpurple plugin?

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by Terretta »

alxlaz wrote: post #122
davidhyde wrote: post #101

> “Delight customers right from their mobile device with a seamless experience that includes a virtual, branded lobby and easy pre-appointment chatting capabilities.” This refers to the meeting join link and the last time someone sent me a link like this it was not a delightful experience. I ended up mixing up organisations and accounts. An example of a good experience is joining a Jitsi Meet meeting because you don’…

I have zero shame about it so I might as well confess: I have no bloody idea how to use Teams with more than one organisation. I just set up a VM for each one. I am smart enough to automate a minimal install (the bar for that is pretty low, if we're being honest) but apparently not smart enough to use Teams. It's beyond hilarious, two out of three times I end up in the wrong lobby with the wrong people and the wrong…

It seems like Teams modeled this from Slack, Discord, etc., that have completely different selves per thing you join (arguably a very good idea for keeping selves separate), but the UI assumes you change your persona less often.

In Teams, click your face top right to change profiles (accounts), like you would in Edge. It's basically the concept of personas or profiles from Firefox or Chrome, but in Teams.

Note that you shouldn't have to change personas unless you want to. Guests can be invited, and join as their original persona instead of having to have an inside the tent account.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by Terretta »

deng wrote: post #144
SilverBirch wrote: post #138

Bit disappointed at the level of discussion here, 90% of the comments are generic bitching about Teams. This press release really takes a while to get to the detail, but actually I think some this is great. The automated minutes are great feature, I know it's not going to be perfect but it'll pick up most of the heavy lifting which is kind of brilliant because it's always a PITA to be the notes taker. It doesn't even…

> Bit disappointed at the level of discussion here, 90% of the comments are generic bitching about Teams. Because MS really needs to get their priorities straight. What good are AI meeting notes if the absolute basics of a VC/Chat software don't work properly? Just from the past few days, I've had - Chat messages turning up hours later, or are not shown as new and I see them later by accident - Images in chats are no…

> an actually good VC/Chat solution

For actually good, collaboration isn't limited to video chat. In particular, live collaboration on content is key. In an office, for office workers, turns out that's mostly Word, Excel ...

Devs don't realize this, because Git. But in office land, that was not really a solved problem. Places have nasty "Drive G" NAS solutions, with nasty permissioning management (or office gives up and gives everyone permission to everything).

Teams "Files" tab converges that, as does the Share icon, to where you're not "presenting your screen" to collaborate on the content, you can actually launch everyone's native PowerPoint or Word or Excel, see everyone's icon and cursor, and genuinely collaborate in real time on the content. Permissions are managed by Team and Channel, which make sense to everyone. Behind the scenes, all content access and permissions changes are fully audited, so the experience is fully compliant.

These things make it "actually good" for role based access to regulated compliant collaboration.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by spyder »

narrator wrote: post #20

Could someone please compete with GPT-3? This is getting ridiculous how far ahead OpenAi is getting, despite Google probably having better tech. It seems nobody else has the big brass balls of the OpenAI guys to put a large language model out there and deal with the consequences. Yann LeCun is on Twitter saying this isn't a big deal[1], but where's Facebook's LLM that's available to the public? [1] https://twitter.co…

"but where's Facebook's LLM that's available to the public"

They are trying it, here:

https://ai.facebook.com/blog/democratizing-access-to-large-s...

Demo:

https://opt.alpa.ai/

But it's clearly not as good as GPT3.5

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by hulitu »

stevesimmons wrote: post #134
userbinator wrote: post #39

With more than 400 new features and improvements added to Microsoft Teams last year Unfortunately, the only things I've seen are trivial and IMHO entirely unnecessary changes like "change the icons" or "add more useless whitespace", or something that was already widespread and possible decades ago like "now we have multiple windows". If that's what they thought were "features and improvements", it explains why Teams…

The latest Teams update lost the ability to paste from a Teams chat message into plain text (e.g. Visual Studio Code). All the line breaks disappear. The only way around this is to have a random Microsoft Word window, paste the Teams message into Word, and then copy from Word into Visual Studio Code. Aaargh Microsoft! A mindbogglingly dumb regression for a 5 year old product.

> The only way around this is to have a random Microsoft Word window

Notepad is better and starts faster. At least the Win10 version.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by ahtihn »

azalemeth wrote: post #124
epups wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on this point a bit? It seems to me that you are saying Microsoft should not be allowed to release their own version of Slack and Zoom for free. I don't see the argument for that, especially since Microsoft itself has in the past released free software that does essentially what these other tools also do, and largely inspired them (Skype, for example).

Sure. > It seems to me that you are saying Microsoft should not be allowed to release their own version of Slack and Zoom for free. That is exactly what I'm saying, because it is against EU competition law as Microsoft has a dominant position in the market -- the "plain English" guide to competition law simply states: [1] If your company has a large market share, it holds a dominant position and must take particular…

> it as part of a certain tier of M365 subscription for free.

So is it free or not? If it's part of a subscription, it's just included in the cost. The subscription already included a whole suite of different software, what makes Teams special in that regard? Who decides that Teams is a separate product and not just a feature of the O365 product?

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by denysvitali »

csmpltn wrote: post #149
denysvitali wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why we're building FossTeams [1], an open source client for Microsoft Teams (: The idea is to have a backend [2], powered by a library [3] that does the heavy lifting and a / multiple frontends to be used with that (e.g: CLI[4], Web frontend[5], Flutter app[6]). We're looking for contributors! If you hate Teams and want to improve an Open Source version, PRs are welcome (: [1]: https://github.com/fossteams [2]…

Honest question, asked in good faith. What's your plan when for when the "cease and desist" letter is going to come in?

We'll see. We're doing nothing more than using undocumented APIs and in the end these clients are not competing against Microsoft Teams (but actually bringing / keeping more user base there). On top of that, we provide the code as MIT, so Microsoft can reuse the code for themselves.

If they still send a cease and desist letter, we'll probably comply and make sure the code is archived somewhere for people to continue / use the project (:

TL;DR: I would consider a cease and desist a success, and hope that Microsoft reuses the code

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by jbm »

SilverBirch wrote: post #138

Bit disappointed at the level of discussion here, 90% of the comments are generic bitching about Teams. This press release really takes a while to get to the detail, but actually I think some this is great. The automated minutes are great feature, I know it's not going to be perfect but it'll pick up most of the heavy lifting which is kind of brilliant because it's always a PITA to be the notes taker. It doesn't even…

> "Generic Bitching"

I feel targeted. Here is some detailed complaining about Teams and why I feel a bullshit "note taker" AI is not appropriate place to put development effort.

1. It really does crash my Google Chrome window every 45 minutes to two hours. This is literally the only application that does it, so it bears mentioning.

2. It gets 2FA and security wrong.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32337777

If you can't get 2FA correct, or enable your program to create inappropriate configurations that are going to screw up in a "serious business program", then yes, you have to fix the feature pipeline so that gets resolved first and that the process of deploying features incentivizes fixing these issues. Otherwise every new feature is just 10 new bugs.

3. It doesn't work well in languages that use IMEs

I can't tag people in chat rooms (due to it's failure to correctly search for Kanji names), and it hijacking my text input and wrecking the Japanese language input. Yes, being *unable to correctly input text* in a corporate chat application is far, far, far more important than this meaningless, worthless feature that will be used poorly 5% of the time and will be completely wrong in the language I am using anyways.

4. Note taking doesn't matter.

I can't believe that in 2023 people don't already get meeting bullet points before the meeting starts. We have our notes all on Azure Devops (which is, in comparison, tolerable)

"Nice for the note taker, awful for the productive worker" is a perfect description of Teams. This is not exciting in any way, I stand by my "generic bitching".

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by azalemeth »

ahtihn wrote: post #157
azalemeth wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. > It seems to me that you are saying Microsoft should not be allowed to release their own version of Slack and Zoom for free. That is exactly what I'm saying, because it is against EU competition law as Microsoft has a dominant position in the market -- the "plain English" guide to competition law simply states: [1] If your company has a large market share, it holds a dominant position and must take particular…

> it as part of a certain tier of M365 subscription for free. So is it free or not? If it's part of a subscription, it's just included in the cost. The subscription already included a whole suite of different software, what makes Teams special in that regard? Who decides that Teams is a separate product and not just a feature of the O365 product?

These are all good questions, and you could have asked them about IE and Windows – where it was found to be anticompetitive behaviour. The answer to "who decides" is the national competition and markets authorities of the EU's member states, or the EU's competition commission. The main issue from a legal point of view is whether Microsoft is exploiting its dominant position in business services to make its competitors suffer unduly, if it was not dominant in another area – which you could make an argument for, in my opinion.
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