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Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by epups »

azalemeth wrote: post #105
denysvitali wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why we're building FossTeams [1], an open source client for Microsoft Teams (: The idea is to have a backend [2], powered by a library [3] that does the heavy lifting and a / multiple frontends to be used with that (e.g: CLI[4], Web frontend[5], Flutter app[6]). We're looking for contributors! If you hate Teams and want to improve an Open Source version, PRs are welcome (: [1]: https://github.com/fossteams [2]…

You're brilliant martyrs, but it's such a shame that Teams is just universally accepted as a new enterprise thing. I've never really seen such an anticompetitive move by Microsoft in the last decade, but Teams has taken on both Slack and Zoom and friends and they shove it "for free" down their enterprise customers' throats. It's crying out for a competition authority investigation and a compulsory breaking up -- not…

Can you elaborate on this point a bit? It seems to me that you are saying Microsoft should not be allowed to release their own version of Slack and Zoom for free. I don't see the argument for that, especially since Microsoft itself has in the past released free software that does essentially what these other tools also do, and largely inspired them (Skype, for example).

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by alxlaz »

davidhyde wrote: post #101

> “Delight customers right from their mobile device with a seamless experience that includes a virtual, branded lobby and easy pre-appointment chatting capabilities.” This refers to the meeting join link and the last time someone sent me a link like this it was not a delightful experience. I ended up mixing up organisations and accounts. An example of a good experience is joining a Jitsi Meet meeting because you don’…

I have zero shame about it so I might as well confess: I have no bloody idea how to use Teams with more than one organisation. I just set up a VM for each one. I am smart enough to automate a minimal install (the bar for that is pretty low, if we're being honest) but apparently not smart enough to use Teams.

It's beyond hilarious, two out of three times I end up in the wrong lobby with the wrong people and the wrong account despite doing the exact same thing, based on following the exact same guides on the Internet.

Unless you're using it on your domain-enrolled work computer (which, to be fair, is probably the demographics Microsoft cares about) Teams is basically chatroulette.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by yanellena »

aetherspawn wrote: post #85

I wish they would push the calling aspect of Microsoft Teams more. The technology is great: 1. Receive business calls from anywhere and any handset or computer. Seamlessly transfer and pick up the call on any device. Can be linked to inbound 1800, 1300 numbers, landline numbers, etc. 2. Can do call forwarding, ring-out forwarding, and voice messages 3. Voice messages are recorded, transcripted and the audio file and…

From my experience you don't necessarily need to use a third party VoIP provider unless you need coexistence with your existing phone system.

My team have an allocated Microsoft provided number which is allocated via the Teams admin centre which is easy to manage and we can just order more numbers if required.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by azalemeth »

epups wrote: post #121
azalemeth wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're brilliant martyrs, but it's such a shame that Teams is just universally accepted as a new enterprise thing. I've never really seen such an anticompetitive move by Microsoft in the last decade, but Teams has taken on both Slack and Zoom and friends and they shove it "for free" down their enterprise customers' throats. It's crying out for a competition authority investigation and a compulsory breaking up -- not…

Can you elaborate on this point a bit? It seems to me that you are saying Microsoft should not be allowed to release their own version of Slack and Zoom for free. I don't see the argument for that, especially since Microsoft itself has in the past released free software that does essentially what these other tools also do, and largely inspired them (Skype, for example).

Sure.

> It seems to me that you are saying Microsoft should not be allowed to release their own version of Slack and Zoom for free.

That is exactly what I'm saying, because it is against EU competition law as Microsoft has a dominant position in the market -- the "plain English" guide to competition law simply states: [1]

  If your company has a large market share, it holds a dominant position and must take particular care not to:

   •    charge unreasonably high prices which would exploit customers
   •    charge unrealistically low prices which may drive competitors out of the market
   •    discriminate between customers
   •    force certain trading conditions on your business partners
Microsoft does arguably all of these with different products to some level. Zoom, Slack, Discord etc are all paid-for products with a cost that, prior to February 2020, companies paid for separately. Microsoft then came along with Teams and released it as part of a certain tier of M365 subscription for free. Whilst Zoom and friends have not been driven out of the market, they have suffered as a result of it and what was a burgeoning industry, including with "freemium" or "paid support" FOSS models like Jitsi, have suffered as the corporate behemoths of the world use Teams. The real proof of the pudding is the fact that most users hate Teams: it's widely regarded as being not as good as its competitors and yet is massively used. Why? Monopolistic business practices.

[1] https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/selling-in-eu/competit...

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by hef19898 »

alxlaz wrote: post #122
davidhyde wrote: post #101

> “Delight customers right from their mobile device with a seamless experience that includes a virtual, branded lobby and easy pre-appointment chatting capabilities.” This refers to the meeting join link and the last time someone sent me a link like this it was not a delightful experience. I ended up mixing up organisations and accounts. An example of a good experience is joining a Jitsi Meet meeting because you don’…

I have zero shame about it so I might as well confess: I have no bloody idea how to use Teams with more than one organisation. I just set up a VM for each one. I am smart enough to automate a minimal install (the bar for that is pretty low, if we're being honest) but apparently not smart enough to use Teams. It's beyond hilarious, two out of three times I end up in the wrong lobby with the wrong people and the wrong…

I once ended up doing a teams interview as my 8 year old, because Teams, or rather I, was unable to switch between my then start-up account and the school account of my kid. Confused the interviewer a bit in the beginning.

As good as Teams is whithin and across orgs, as long as you stick to one single account, as much it sucks with multiple accounts on the same machine. That, and all the crap like opening files in Teams when Office is installed. But the SharePoint is opening files in the browser instead of the native apps...

Teams Outlook intergration is neat so.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by epups »

azalemeth wrote: post #124
epups wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on this point a bit? It seems to me that you are saying Microsoft should not be allowed to release their own version of Slack and Zoom for free. I don't see the argument for that, especially since Microsoft itself has in the past released free software that does essentially what these other tools also do, and largely inspired them (Skype, for example).

Sure. > It seems to me that you are saying Microsoft should not be allowed to release their own version of Slack and Zoom for free. That is exactly what I'm saying, because it is against EU competition law as Microsoft has a dominant position in the market -- the "plain English" guide to competition law simply states: [1] If your company has a large market share, it holds a dominant position and must take particular…

Thank you for the clarification.

I understand where you (and the law) are coming from, but when it comes to software it is hard to say what are "unrealistically low prices". Slack and Zoom also have free tiers, so how is it unrealistic for Microsoft to offer that as well? Looking at Google for example, would you say that they should be forced to charge for their services to reflect their costs? I doubt that either of these would be a good thing.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by hef19898 »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #81
runako wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't use Teams as a daily driver, but I would be a candidate for a paid upgrade pack that made it have the polish one expects from an app built by a public company. In particular, the emoji are terrible.

At this point, I'm way past hoping to see any polish. I'd be happy if they improved the responsiveness. Say to the level of MSN Messenger 20 years ago, even though I'm running 2022 hardware.

For some reason, intra org Teams calls slow down Office (from outlook to Excel) down significantly at my place. Teams, outside the call, becomes basically unusable. Funny thing is, when having calls with people outside the org, everything is running just smooth and fine...

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by vladvasiliu »

alxlaz wrote: post #122
davidhyde wrote: post #101

> “Delight customers right from their mobile device with a seamless experience that includes a virtual, branded lobby and easy pre-appointment chatting capabilities.” This refers to the meeting join link and the last time someone sent me a link like this it was not a delightful experience. I ended up mixing up organisations and accounts. An example of a good experience is joining a Jitsi Meet meeting because you don’…

I have zero shame about it so I might as well confess: I have no bloody idea how to use Teams with more than one organisation. I just set up a VM for each one. I am smart enough to automate a minimal install (the bar for that is pretty low, if we're being honest) but apparently not smart enough to use Teams. It's beyond hilarious, two out of three times I end up in the wrong lobby with the wrong people and the wrong…

> Unless you're using it on your domain-enrolled work computer (which, to be fair, is probably the demographics Microsoft cares about) Teams is basically chatroulette.

What do you mean? I sometimes use Teams on an AD-joined computer, and the multiple-account situation is beyond absurd. The whole freaking app has to restart when changing accounts, even though both are connected through the same exact AzureAD identity.

There is no difference whatsoever between the AD-joined Windows experience and the not-joined-to-anything Linux one.

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