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Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by guiriduro » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 9:56 AM UTC

davidhyde wrote: post #101

> “Delight customers right from their mobile device with a seamless experience that includes a virtual, branded lobby and easy pre-appointment chatting capabilities.” This refers to the meeting join link and the last time someone sent me a link like this it was not a delightful experience. I ended up mixing up organisations and accounts. An example of a good experience is joining a Jitsi Meet meeting because you don’…

TeamsLobby, please invent me a plausible excuse for avoiding this meeting and deliver it to the other participants, then disconnect me.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by Firmwarrior » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 9:59 AM UTC

denysvitali wrote: post #118

zorr wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sets this project apart from the MS Graph API? Are there any API features that Graph does not have? I have built an alternative Teams client for smart glasses using only MS Graph and Azure Communication Services and it can already do most interactions related to chat/meetings/org etc.

It's not using the MS Graph API and it's copying what the Teams Desktop client is doing. This gives you a way to run an alternative client in corporations where you don't have the possibility to use third party apps. On top of that, since it's not using the Graph API, we might get better features that will take long time to be available in the Graph API.

I think it's funny that casual hobbyists can easily outproduce Microsoft's supposedly world class engineering organization. It's not even a question in anyone's mind either. You guys know you're going to beat them (or already have), everyone here takes it as a given, even the engineers at MSFT probably know it.

Even if they try to stop you guys, they probably won't be able to pull it off unless they can manage it in court

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by deutschepost » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 10:14 AM UTC

Every time a company like Microsoft or Facebook talks about how my messages are E2EE inside of their app I always read: "Now only we and you can read your messages, no one else."

What's the point of E2EE if you can't be sure that the decrypting app isn't sending your data elsewhere?

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by stevesimmons » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 10:16 AM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #39

With more than 400 new features and improvements added to Microsoft Teams last year Unfortunately, the only things I've seen are trivial and IMHO entirely unnecessary changes like "change the icons" or "add more useless whitespace", or something that was already widespread and possible decades ago like "now we have multiple windows". If that's what they thought were "features and improvements", it explains why Teams…

The latest Teams update lost the ability to paste from a Teams chat message into plain text (e.g. Visual Studio Code). All the line breaks disappear.

The only way around this is to have a random Microsoft Word window, paste the Teams message into Word, and then copy from Word into Visual Studio Code.

Aaargh Microsoft! A mindbogglingly dumb regression for a 5 year old product.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by yread » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 10:16 AM UTC

I hate Teams as much as the next guy but markers to see which people spoke when in the recording sound cool. It's also something that would have been possible to make even in the 90s (teams knows which microphone was active so no need for AI) so hopefully they won't mess it up

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by zorr » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 10:35 AM UTC

Firmwarrior wrote: post #132

denysvitali wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not using the MS Graph API and it's copying what the Teams Desktop client is doing. This gives you a way to run an alternative client in corporations where you don't have the possibility to use third party apps. On top of that, since it's not using the Graph API, we might get better features that will take long time to be available in the Graph API.

I think it's funny that casual hobbyists can easily outproduce Microsoft's supposedly world class engineering organization. It's not even a question in anyone's mind either. You guys know you're going to beat them (or already have), everyone here takes it as a given, even the engineers at MSFT probably know it. Even if they try to stop you guys, they probably won't be able to pull it off unless they can manage it in…

Why is that funny? I think it is normal that a hobby team working in a silo on an alternative client with a low amount of users move faster than a full engineering organization working on a mass rolled out product used in corporate environment all over the world.

For a new feature the hobby team can just hack away for a few nights, push the release and they are done.

The engineering org needs to plan and coordinate the feature across multiple teams (web app, desktop app, mobile app, Graph, teams admin panel, o365 admin panel,...) and then make sure it fits well into the rest of the MS infrastructure (policies, permission scopes, IT admin controls, licensing, auditing,...). Legal might need to be involved.

And then after aligning all those teams and waiting for each team to prioritize and do the work it needs to get into the MS roadmap as well going through the usual stages (private preview, public preview, General Availability). And once it hits GA it needs to be supported for many years.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by aetherspawn » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 10:36 AM UTC

yanellena wrote: post #123

aetherspawn wrote: post #85

I wish they would push the calling aspect of Microsoft Teams more. The technology is great: 1. Receive business calls from anywhere and any handset or computer. Seamlessly transfer and pick up the call on any device. Can be linked to inbound 1800, 1300 numbers, landline numbers, etc. 2. Can do call forwarding, ring-out forwarding, and voice messages 3. Voice messages are recorded, transcripted and the audio file and…

From my experience you don't necessarily need to use a third party VoIP provider unless you need coexistence with your existing phone system. My team have an allocated Microsoft provided number which is allocated via the Teams admin centre which is easy to manage and we can just order more numbers if required.

I think that this is part of the confusing way they sell it. You can use outbound Microsoft numbers (similar to how Skype calling used to work), but if you want inbound numbers I think you need a third party telco?

These products form the Calling Pack (Microsoft) and the Voice Service (Telco) respectively, and then on top of that you need some kind of bridge (Telco) if you want to have a 13 or 18 number.

And if you want to have your outbound number recognisable as your inbound number, that’s another aspect of the Voice Service that needs to be configured.

Unfortunately the latter infrastructure doesn’t live at MS and it can be really unreliable if the telco hosting it is small. Our phone goes down for around an hour once a week or so.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by SilverBirch » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 10:45 AM UTC

Bit disappointed at the level of discussion here, 90% of the comments are generic bitching about Teams. This press release really takes a while to get to the detail, but actually I think some this is great. The automated minutes are great feature, I know it's not going to be perfect but it'll pick up most of the heavy lifting which is kind of brilliant because it's always a PITA to be the notes taker. It doesn't even need to be particularly good, if I can just say "GPT Action Item:Blah" as part of our conversation in the meeting and it'll do the notes for me that's pretty cool. The summary and time markers I'm less bothered about, since it kind of assumes you'll record the meeting and come back and search through it, which I guess does sometimes happen, but not too often.

It's quite exciting that we're getting some proper applications of the technology that make sense. When the whole Crypto/Web3 boom was going on there was this constant question of "Yeah, but what actual use case are you solving". I think it's much easier to see an answer to that with ChatGPT style tech.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by vladvasiliu » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 10:50 AM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #128

vladvasiliu wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, I'm way past hoping to see any polish. I'd be happy if they improved the responsiveness. Say to the level of MSN Messenger 20 years ago, even though I'm running 2022 hardware.

For some reason, intra org Teams calls slow down Office (from outlook to Excel) down significantly at my place. Teams, outside the call, becomes basically unusable. Funny thing is, when having calls with people outside the org, everything is running just smooth and fine...

In my case, I mostly use Linux, so I use the online versions of the office apps, except for Teams. The other day I installed the local clients on a newish computer (11th gen i7, win 11) and was shocked by how sluggish Outlook felt.

I understand the online versions lack some features, but for my use-case they are great.

Re: Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5

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Post by hef19898 » Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 10:55 AM UTC

vladvasiliu wrote: post #139

hef19898 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some reason, intra org Teams calls slow down Office (from outlook to Excel) down significantly at my place. Teams, outside the call, becomes basically unusable. Funny thing is, when having calls with people outside the org, everything is running just smooth and fine...

In my case, I mostly use Linux, so I use the online versions of the office apps, except for Teams. The other day I installed the local clients on a newish computer (11th gen i7, win 11) and was shocked by how sluggish Outlook felt. I understand the online versions lack some features, but for my use-case they are great.

My private daily is Linux, too. It is dual boot, mostly for gaming and because I am too lazy to figure out wireless scanning under Linux. Libre Office runs under Linux, school teams, some fames and scanning under Eindows 10. Plus, I can keep my kids stuff seperate from mine for the most part.