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Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Everything since 7's been a downgrade. And really, if they'd just patched a very small set of 7 features into XP (mostly driver management improvements), I'd prefer that.

You'd probably want AMD64 support too? The XP UI was so much better. Technically I think I remember 7 as working better but I didn't like it as much.

There was a 64 bit XP but it broke some games and a bunch of drivers were never re-compiled for it, IIRC, so it wasn't very popular.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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I disagree. I've tried Linux on the desktop over and over and over again from about 1997 and there's just problems with it all over the place. I have used it on the server for the same period. The desktop environment for a start has been incredibly volatile, the kernel maturity is just not there and honestly most of the commercial apps out there which are Windows or macOS only aren't available on Linux. Also sometime…

> the commercial apps out there which are Windows or macOS only aren't available on Linux So you're saying that the apps that aren't available on linux, aren't available on linux? What a great surprise!

I’m saying that everyone shouts switch to Linux but this isn’t an option for a lot of people and isn’t even likely the best solution for most. Most of the commercial apps have no viable alternatives on Linux or the open source market gap fillers are vastly inferior.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Not being snarky, but when did you last try linux? Your points about volatile DEs and kernel maturity seems almost 10 years out of date.

See my last edit. 22.04 LTS on a ThinkPad T495s Ryzen. Hangs after 2-3 minutes. Absolutely no issues on Windows. Last updated about 2-3 weeks ago. This is the hilarious thing: https://ubuntu.com/certified/201906-27170 And yes it hung on 18.04 LTS as well. I don't have the time or energy to deal with that shit in my life.

That almost sounds like bad hardware that Windows is somehow not using, or working around in a hacky way. I am literally typing this on a T495s with 22.04 LTS and no freeze, nothing. Uptime thanks to suspend is creeping along at something like 30 days.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Crap like this makes my Linux desktop (Gnome on Ubuntu) feel nice in comparison. As the mainstream players have added more bloat/ads/etc (e.g. ads in the start menu) over the last N years, and the Linux desktop has gotten more mature, it really does just feel simple & smooth in comparison. Not suggesting Linux is for everyone, but if you happen to use it or are thinking about it, it's nice.

It's amazing to me that Mac and Windows don't really feel (from UX standpoint) that much faster or smoother than 10 years ago despite hardware being much more powerful. Computers get faster but software keeps operating on the "edge" by adding more complexity. Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of seeing it as an opportuni…

> Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product

I feel like this is being over-used at this point. Modern gnome works fine.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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I've had trouble with sound, wireless (both wifi and bluetooth), graphics, boot, and power-state management with Linux, with at least one of these issues appearing in every single device I've installed Linux on, with none of those appearing on the Windows devices that I've also used. I also have experienced performance, usability, and integration problems with every Linux desktop environment that I've used. Linux des…

> I've had trouble with sound, wireless (both wifi and bluetooth), graphics, boot, and power-state management with Linux, Hah! I could say the same for Windows! I'm the family IT support person and I've experienced all those problems and a whole lot more in Windows. Especially after Windows upgrades (e.g. going from Windows 7 to 10 or 10 to 11). At least with Linux there's always a way to fix it. It might be in some…

There isn’t always a solution on Linux. I’ve hit a few things over the years where I’ve hit a wall and got stuck. On two occasions I fixed it myself and submitted patches and got entirely ignored. The bot closing your ancient PR that the maintainer of a large open source project didn’t even bother looking at is the status quo in my existence.

Now I acknowledge that I’m helpless on any platform.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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I've been using VSCodium as a drop in replacement for VSCode. Data point of 1.

It's good as long as you don't need the live share feature.

Or SSH remote development, or C++, or C#, or Pyright... Microsoft is big on "embrace, extend, extinguish" by releasing proprietary extensions that only run on proprietary VS Code binaries, and detect and refuse to operate on open-source builds.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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See my last edit. 22.04 LTS on a ThinkPad T495s Ryzen. Hangs after 2-3 minutes. Absolutely no issues on Windows. Last updated about 2-3 weeks ago. This is the hilarious thing: https://ubuntu.com/certified/201906-27170 And yes it hung on 18.04 LTS as well. I don't have the time or energy to deal with that shit in my life.

That almost sounds like bad hardware that Windows is somehow not using, or working around in a hacky way. I am literally typing this on a T495s with 22.04 LTS and no freeze, nothing. Uptime thanks to suspend is creeping along at something like 30 days.

My daughter’s one does the same for ref. Which CPU does yours have in it. Ours are both 3700U.

The issue is related to Radeon and power management. That’s as far as I got with debugging before my crushed soul put windows back on it so I could get some shit done.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Why don't they finish actually implementing W11, give it a consistent UI standard and stop investing all their energy in trying to monitor and monetize their already paying users? Maybe then, people will upgrade.

The UI is fairly consistent now. Certainly better than windows 10.

But yes tracking, monetising and marketing the shit out of people, no thanks! Hardly worthy of the Pro moniker when you see that.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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You cannot buy refurbished Dell systems with Windows 10 on them now. Dell support also cannot answer whether they can be downgraded to 10 from 11, even though most refurbs in their outlet originally shipped with 10.

I haven’t had a single PC with windows 11 pro on that the built in product key doesn’t work with windows 10 pro. YMMV.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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That almost sounds like bad hardware that Windows is somehow not using, or working around in a hacky way. I am literally typing this on a T495s with 22.04 LTS and no freeze, nothing. Uptime thanks to suspend is creeping along at something like 30 days.

My daughter’s one does the same for ref. Which CPU does yours have in it. Ours are both 3700U. The issue is related to Radeon and power management. That’s as far as I got with debugging before my crushed soul put windows back on it so I could get some shit done.

processor : 7 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 23 model : 24 model name : AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 3700U w/ Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx stepping : 1 microcode : 0x8108109 cpu MHz : 2300.000 cache size : 512 KB
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