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Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by riskable »

throw10920 wrote: post #40
jaimex2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux desktops are nicer period. Both OSX and Windows feel like an archaic mess when you go back to them. How are system restarts still a thing?!

I've had trouble with sound, wireless (both wifi and bluetooth), graphics, boot, and power-state management with Linux, with at least one of these issues appearing in every single device I've installed Linux on, with none of those appearing on the Windows devices that I've also used. I also have experienced performance, usability, and integration problems with every Linux desktop environment that I've used. Linux des…

> I've had trouble with sound, wireless (both wifi and bluetooth), graphics, boot, and power-state management with Linux,

Hah! I could say the same for Windows! I'm the family IT support person and I've experienced all those problems and a whole lot more in Windows. Especially after Windows upgrades (e.g. going from Windows 7 to 10 or 10 to 11).

At least with Linux there's always a way to fix it. It might be in some obscure StackOverflow post or the Ubuntu forums or the Arch wiki (which is fantastic BTW) but there's always a solution.

With Windows there often isn't a solution other than, "wait for the vendor to fix it." There's not even good troubleshooting options in Windows because the built-in logger is the worst in all of the history of computing and I don't know how anyone can put up with it!

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by viraptor »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #6

I mean, there is an option to stay on Windows 10 but man... Microsoft, really scraping the bottom of the barrel with that move. Though with only 18% of Windows users on Windows 11, and Windows 10 going EOL in 2 years supposedly... maybe they are that desperate. Having to extend Windows 10's service life would be humiliating.

I was really hoping they would stick to their "window 10 is the last windows" rolling release idea. They could've avoided this whole thing this way. (It could be still bad for the users though...)

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by Gigachad »

proc0 wrote: post #49
mkasberg wrote: post #12

Crap like this makes my Linux desktop (Gnome on Ubuntu) feel nice in comparison. As the mainstream players have added more bloat/ads/etc (e.g. ads in the start menu) over the last N years, and the Linux desktop has gotten more mature, it really does just feel simple & smooth in comparison. Not suggesting Linux is for everyone, but if you happen to use it or are thinking about it, it's nice.

It's amazing to me that Mac and Windows don't really feel (from UX standpoint) that much faster or smoother than 10 years ago despite hardware being much more powerful. Computers get faster but software keeps operating on the "edge" by adding more complexity. Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of seeing it as an opportuni…

I had a 2019 Macbook and it felt like an unbearably slow piece of crap that constantly had the spinning ball and fans blasting full speed doing just about nothing. Now my 2020 M1 feels extremely snappy. Everything is instant now.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by viraptor »

j-bos wrote: post #55
amysox wrote: post #33

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All you people who thought that Micro$oft in the Satya Nidella era had become a kinder, gentler company, this is proof positive that the tiger doesn't change its stripes. (now looking for a good alternative to the Atom text editor because I refuse to use VSCode)

I've been using VSCodium as a drop in replacement for VSCode. Data point of 1.

It's good as long as you don't need the live share feature.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by wrldos »

tokai wrote: post #69
wrldos wrote: post #60

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I disagree. I've tried Linux on the desktop over and over and over again from about 1997 and there's just problems with it all over the place. I have used it on the server for the same period. The desktop environment for a start has been incredibly volatile, the kernel maturity is just not there and honestly most of the commercial apps out there which are Windows or macOS only aren't available on Linux. Also sometime…

Not being snarky, but when did you last try linux? Your points about volatile DEs and kernel maturity seems almost 10 years out of date.

See my last edit. 22.04 LTS on a ThinkPad T495s Ryzen. Hangs after 2-3 minutes. Absolutely no issues on Windows. Last updated about 2-3 weeks ago.

This is the hilarious thing: https://ubuntu.com/certified/201906-27170

And yes it hung on 18.04 LTS as well.

I don't have the time or energy to deal with that shit in my life.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by riskable »

lostmsu wrote: post #48
KMnO4 wrote: post #37

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It was designed that way, but it doesn’t actually need to be that way. KSplice, for example, lets you update the kernel without rebooting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksplice

> does not provide any mechanisms for ensuring function-level consistency while the hot patches are applied E.g. a shotgun pointed at your feet

To be fair, the comparison is against the way Windows updates itself which is like Russian roulette.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by jonathankoren »

smoldesu wrote: post #46
jaimex2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux desktops are nicer period. Both OSX and Windows feel like an archaic mess when you go back to them. How are system restarts still a thing?!

Branding alone gets me. Booting up MacOS or Windows just feels wrong, nevermind the time I spend uninstalling their bloatware or disabling the ads. A fresh Linux system is unparalleled zen, as long as you coughed up the money for a properly supported machine.

> A fresh Linux system is unparalleled zen, as long as you coughed up the money for a properly supported machine.

In before, “Yeah, we’ll, I just don’t use that feature so it doesn’t bother me.”

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by smoldesu »

danw1979 wrote: post #68
jaimex2 wrote: post #16

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Linux desktops are nicer period. Both OSX and Windows feel like an archaic mess when you go back to them. How are system restarts still a thing?!

Every time I hang up a phone or video call on my bluetooth headphones, Apple Music opens on my mac and starts playing House Of The Rising Sun. I’ve just come to accept this now because there really is no way to stop it. I expect that at some point in the future Asahi linux will be mature enough and someone will have finally figured out how to support the trackpad properly so we really can enjoy Linux on Apple’s incre…

Thank you for corroborating this, every time I bring it up on HN people ignore it like it's a non-issue. My headphones should not be a shortcut for launching Apple Music; that is a terrible default setting.

> someone will have finally figured out how to support the trackpad properly

We're there, if you use Wayland. In Firefox I have pinch-to-zoom, forward/backwards swipe shortcuts and KDE has 1:1 desktop navigation gestures. I'm using a wired Magic Trackpad, but I'm sure the behavior is the same on all of Apple's trackpads. Give it a whirl this weekend, if you've got the stuff lying around!

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by smoldesu »

jonathankoren wrote: post #77
smoldesu wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Branding alone gets me. Booting up MacOS or Windows just feels wrong, nevermind the time I spend uninstalling their bloatware or disabling the ads. A fresh Linux system is unparalleled zen, as long as you coughed up the money for a properly supported machine.

> A fresh Linux system is unparalleled zen, as long as you coughed up the money for a properly supported machine. In before, “Yeah, we’ll, I just don’t use that feature so it doesn’t bother me.”

In response to what? All three operating systems here have things they are uniquely capable of, and uniquely incapable of. The stones are all in glass houses, I dare someone to throw the first one.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by BizarreByte »

proc0 wrote: post #49
mkasberg wrote: post #12

Crap like this makes my Linux desktop (Gnome on Ubuntu) feel nice in comparison. As the mainstream players have added more bloat/ads/etc (e.g. ads in the start menu) over the last N years, and the Linux desktop has gotten more mature, it really does just feel simple & smooth in comparison. Not suggesting Linux is for everyone, but if you happen to use it or are thinking about it, it's nice.

It's amazing to me that Mac and Windows don't really feel (from UX standpoint) that much faster or smoother than 10 years ago despite hardware being much more powerful. Computers get faster but software keeps operating on the "edge" by adding more complexity. Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of seeing it as an opportuni…

They don’t feel faster than a decade ago and they feel significantly slower than two decades ago. There has to be some “law” name for how software expands to consume any increased resources.
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