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We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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Or they illegally burn it!

Or legally burn it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELCHP

I actually wonder if incineration is the best way to dispose of plastic as it avoids the recycling fraud problem

Generally we try to minimise our plastic use but it’s hard

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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Or legally burn it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELCHP

I actually wonder if incineration is the best way to dispose of plastic as it avoids the recycling fraud problem Generally we try to minimise our plastic use but it’s hard

Well you can't minimise plastic use if the rest of society doesn't.

I think landfilling is fine, we just need to make sure it does not end up in the environment floating about and causing contamination. And that we are not getting defrauded.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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The very premise of modern environmentalism necessitates human extinction by logical extension. You can't act or believe as if humans can or should have no impact on the environment without entertaining humanity's gradual demise as part of the process of "saving the earth" when all other known options are exhausted.

A return to the technical limitations and lifestyles of somewhere between 3000 BCE and 1400 CE would do. Maybe live like the Amish do. Fewer people would be supported, true, but we'd still dominate all other lifeforms.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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The very premise of modern environmentalism necessitates human extinction by logical extension. You can't act or believe as if humans can or should have no impact on the environment without entertaining humanity's gradual demise as part of the process of "saving the earth" when all other known options are exhausted.

> The very premise of modern environmentalism necessitates human extinction by logical extension. You can't act or believe as if humans can or should have no impact on the environment without entertaining humanity's gradual demise as part of the process of "saving the earth" when all other known options are exhausted. This is mostly a straw man argument. It's always a mistake to represent diverse groups like "environ…

Thinking only about the humans is pretty selfish and sad. If Asian hornets go extinct, or gonorrhea bacilli, I won't shed many tears. Whales, elephants, apes laugh and love also, let them live.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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The very premise of modern environmentalism necessitates human extinction by logical extension. You can't act or believe as if humans can or should have no impact on the environment without entertaining humanity's gradual demise as part of the process of "saving the earth" when all other known options are exhausted.

> The very premise of modern environmentalism necessitates human extinction by logical extension. No. At best that's a position held only by a tiny and extreme minority. Consider "Permaculture", a school of applied ecology that's become popular all over the world since it was started by a government-employed ecologist and co. in the late 1970's. The explicit goal of this design school is to create and maintain agricu…

The Mayans figured out how to grow corn and beans such that farmland was fertile indefinitely. The Pilgrims came into managed forests of edible nut trees that were good hunting grounds. Feels like we have a serious NIH complex.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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It's worth keeping in mind that Al Jazeera (as the state-funded news outlet of an extremely wealthy state that is built entirely and existentially on the sales of oil) may not be unbiased on this particular analysis.

Al Jazeera generally has editorial freedom.

I would generally trust Al Jazeera about anything apart from news about Qatar, simply because unlike western networks Al-Jazeera doesn't have to care about pleasing advertisers, and its evident in their honest Palestinian coverage(their reporters paid their lives for it).

They are only second to the BBC in terms of how many stations they have.

This video has details about how Al Jazeera works, and how a rare combination of state goals end up in probably the regions best journalism, to the point other middle eastern countries boycotted Qatar to try to stop Al Jazeera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKx7TPGttSk

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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I did and if you don't consider the source then I'm not sure what kind of reader you are. Al-Jazeera English is happy to publish some of the most lefty writers on other topics but strangely not here.

Huh? They have a dedicated page just for climate change

https://www.aljazeera.com/climate-crisis/

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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> The very premise of modern environmentalism necessitates human extinction by logical extension. You can't act or believe as if humans can or should have no impact on the environment without entertaining humanity's gradual demise as part of the process of "saving the earth" when all other known options are exhausted. This is mostly a straw man argument. It's always a mistake to represent diverse groups like "environ…

Thinking only about the humans is pretty selfish and sad. If Asian hornets go extinct, or gonorrhea bacilli, I won't shed many tears. Whales, elephants, apes laugh and love also, let them live.

I wouldn't say I'm thinking only about the humans. It's a matter of prioritization, not exclusion.
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