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We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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Some of what the author says is accurate. Carbon offset credits are bunk. Industrial agriculture is harmful. There are environmental issues to a lot of the “greening” practices. There are issues around how equitably the climate change revolution is going to impact different demographics. Some of what the author says is false. Consumer choices do make a difference. I work in climate tech and the product my company pro…

“Electric vehicles are progress… has the potential to become renewable”

How do you contradict yourself so quickly and not see it?

Our electric cars aren’t using “renewable energy” (what a shifty term). They’re using oil being converted to electric energy (at a cost of losing some of the efficiency)

Maybe someday these cars will use energy purely generated from the sun or wind, but given the volume of cars in the planet Im suspicious we’ll ever generate that much. This ignores a growing population where each year we collectively consume more and more

Fusion would be a way to do it, or even fission, but for some reason we can’t consider fission and we don’t put nearly enough money into researching fusion

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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It's worth keeping in mind that Al Jazeera (as the state-funded news outlet of an extremely wealthy state that is built entirely and existentially on the sales of oil) may not be unbiased on this particular analysis.

Yea, instead we should trust the people who invested trillions into “green” energy to remind us how cities are falling into the ocean and how we are doomed unless we do what they say (no matter how little those changes affect the data they are presenting as evidence they are right)

Honestly, there’s been a lot of lies and fraud in the green movement. There’s never any suggestion that our actions will produce specific results in a measurable way. We’re just always being fed one fear mongering tactic after another.

carbon offsets being a lie. most recycling being dumped. corporations having unfettered plastic usage while you’re demanded to use a paper straw…

Face it, at this point big oil has a more honest reputation.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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Unironically this is how most of the first world thinks while expecting us from the third to completely change our lifestyles and don't we even dare to try to develop the same way you guys did.

Why would you develop your economy like it was the 1800s?

It's obvious the person responding to isn't proposing that third world countries develop their economies using 1800s tech.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

#144
post #67

Some of what the author says is accurate. Carbon offset credits are bunk. Industrial agriculture is harmful. There are environmental issues to a lot of the “greening” practices. There are issues around how equitably the climate change revolution is going to impact different demographics. Some of what the author says is false. Consumer choices do make a difference. I work in climate tech and the product my company pro…

“Electric vehicles are progress… has the potential to become renewable” How do you contradict yourself so quickly and not see it? Our electric cars aren’t using “renewable energy” (what a shifty term). They’re using oil being converted to electric energy (at a cost of losing some of the efficiency) Maybe someday these cars will use energy purely generated from the sun or wind, but given the volume of cars in the plan…

Where I live the great majority of electricity generation is renewable. Switching from internal combustion to EV is absolutely a net positive.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

#145
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No, people on Hacker News don't read articles, they're too smart for that! But I should warn you that it's literally against the rules to call people out when they clearly didn't read the article.

I've been flagged. Oh no!

Corporate culture at its finest: perpetuating ignorance by commenting on articles you didn't read is a marketing problem. The solution is to brand anyone who points out ignorance as a big meanie.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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Models. Prediction with no long term history of being correct. It's a doomsday cult. I would recommend going back to watch Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth and see how many of the catastrophic predictions have come true.

Exxon mobile scientists predicted all this in the 1970s with pretty good accuracy: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64241994

The climate has always changed. Predicting the climate getting warmer when coming out of a mini ice age is hardly ground breaking. We were promised Manhattan would be underwater by now, that glaciers would be gone.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/10/the-telling-tale-of-glacier-na...

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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“Electric vehicles are progress… has the potential to become renewable” How do you contradict yourself so quickly and not see it? Our electric cars aren’t using “renewable energy” (what a shifty term). They’re using oil being converted to electric energy (at a cost of losing some of the efficiency) Maybe someday these cars will use energy purely generated from the sun or wind, but given the volume of cars in the plan…

Where I live the great majority of electricity generation is renewable. Switching from internal combustion to EV is absolutely a net positive.

And where you live is no doubt a minority use case for the global situation. Right?

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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post #73

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They don't have to actually work. Just seem for long enough to work, until I have made enough money.

> until I have made enough money Does this ever actually happen? Like have you made 'enough' by the time you become CEO of ExxonMobil?

No but you die eventually, and then it doesn't matter to you.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

#149
post #40

> the push to replace fuel-engine vehicles with electric ones As opposed to what, replacing cars with public transit? It takes a serious amount of hubris to look at the world and think that we can just wave a magic wand and make public transit work in places that largely rely on cars (even in Europe, which is much denser and more friendly to public transit, there are a lot of personal cars). We will run out of oil wa…

We could make it harder and harder to use/own a car: more expensive, difficult to park, slower to use, etc. Then people would seek out other solutions by themselves, be it using a bike, public transport, or moving less (asking for more remote work options, for instance). We don't seem to even be trying to do this and it's depressing.

Oh, "we" are trying this in Austria! Especially in Vienna, the Greens have introduced harsh parking rules for commuters, blocking of new road infrastructure projects that have already been in planning for decades, and so on.

But I and many others who commute to Vienna don't want to go back to commuting by public transport. Been there, done that - in one direction, it's 1.5h by train + 2 metro lines, vs. 30-40 mins by car. It's an absolute no brainer, I will not waste 3h per day (!!) commuting.

To the helpful suggestions of "finding a home closer to work", I can only say: and what do I so in some years when I change jobs? Move again? No thanks!

Public transport is great if the factors align, but honestly, with the travel times that I have, I wouldn't use it even if they made it free of charge.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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> When I looked at the offset market in the past, I realized that it was one of the few markets where both the buyer and seller are perfectly happy with fraud. > I can't think of many other markets where this dynamic exists. Recycling market is the same - UK government pays you to recycle plastic, £60 per tonne. You find someone in a 3rd world country that will take it off your hands for £30 per tonne, and pocket the…

Or they illegally burn it!

Or legally burn it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELCHP

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