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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by layer8 »

lostmsu wrote: post #254
nextaccountic wrote: post #225

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Universally affordable? Here's two data points for you, minimum wage in Zambia is 13 USD per month, in India it's 65 USD per month.

The person above was talking about Great Depression, implying US. I am fully aware of the situation outside it.

“The Great Depression (1929–1939) was an economic shock that impacted most countries across the world. […] Devastating effects were seen in both rich and poor countries with falling personal income, prices, tax revenues, and profits.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression)

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by yamtaddle »

sterlind wrote: post #219
kokanee wrote: post #149

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$20 is the very first price tier introduced at the very outset of what could be one of the most powerful companies of our generation. Google.com adding a single yellow box with an advertisement seemed reasonable, too. Anyone else having serious concerns about the direction this is going? At my wife's company they have already largely replaced an hourly data classification job with ChatGPT. This announcement is the fi…

It's going to hit so unevenly. My partner works with children at a homeless shelter, I'm an algorithm designer. I'm certain my job will be obsolete before my partner's is. It's going to automate away nearly all pure desk jobs. Starting with data entry, like you've seen, but it'll come for junior SDEs and data scientists too. Customer service, then social media/PR, then marketing, as it culls the white collar. Graphic…

Fewer people juggling more very-different responsibilities, which is a continuation of how office work's already been going.

Personal computer? Now everyone does typing/data-entry/data-organization/data-retrieval, not just secretaries—most of whom we've fired. Also, now "programmer" and "analyst" are one job instead of two. We fired most of the programmers, all you analysts are "software developers" now. Hope you like only doing the thing that was your main job about 10% of the time.

Computer spreadsheets? Now everyone has to mess with spreadsheets, not just the finance/accounting people! Fun, right?

Computerized scheduling? Now you get to do that and your other jobs!

"AI" image generation? Congrats, now you, the copy-writer, also do graphic design for your department.

ChatGPT? So much for being a dedicated (well, kinda) copy-writer... hope you like being an editor instead, plus the several other things you do now that used to be their own jobs! Oh and we fired the other three copy-writers in your department, so we expect 4x your previous output on this, and don't let your other several jobs slip, either.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by [deleted] »

visarga wrote: post #313
cwkoss wrote: post #65

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Each dalle query is hugely expensive at ~$0.076 . They must have a 1000x markup on the incremental costs. Stable Diffusion is free, locally installable, and you can generate 1000 custom images in an hour. I'm looking forward to LLMs you can host on your local machine.

For language you need at least 8GPUs with 24GB instead of just one.

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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by joe_the_user »

m463 wrote: post #308
ezekg wrote: post #205

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You use it consistently during the workday and it's still not worth $20/mo?

This is one of those puzzling things to me. You own your life - why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Who cares? I worked at a job where I had a small, crappy monitor. I made decent cash. I just bought a large decent monitor and brought it into work. I ended up using it for many years. My life was significantly better. I've done that at several jobs since then, and NEVER regr…

I think the monitor example is different from the ChatGPT example.

A monitor is relatively cheap, I would own it, and it will primarily improve my life and secondarily improve my productivity.

In contrast, with ChatGPT, if I'm working on a difficult programming job, I spend X time thinking deeply and Y time actually typing the solution. A system that can type for me is convenient but it may not speed things since I can only think so fast, so many hours a day. And the situation of renting a thing for $20 isn't just a constant expense but a bit of a feeling of being beholden - the price could be and probably will be raised, there is a pressure to get value out of the thing by using it more, etc.

And there's no guarantee that a code generator will make my life more pleasant - the time saved typing may be absorbed by meetings or whatever.

It's a bit like home automation or car dongles - some people might like never throwing a switch as they walk into a room but I think fewer people would see a benefit they'd pay for since they still have to walk into the room.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by intrasight »

extr wrote: post #107

I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This i…

Obviously, they'll start charging for the API - and probably in such a way that your use will cost > $20

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by blagie »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #345
m463 wrote: post #308

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This is one of those puzzling things to me. You own your life - why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Who cares? I worked at a job where I had a small, crappy monitor. I made decent cash. I just bought a large decent monitor and brought it into work. I ended up using it for many years. My life was significantly better. I've done that at several jobs since then, and NEVER regr…

The issue is once you buy a monitor for your work, they're then getting to rent it for free. If you need something to do your job better than they need to pay for it. You hurt yourself (financially) and you are contributing to a workplace culture where employees buy what they need. It's not just a monitor you're paying for! To be clear, I am not judging you. You did what was good for you and took the path of least re…

I don't care what they're getting as much as I care about what I'm getting.

If I have a nice dual-monitor setup, in a business where everyone gets a 19" Dell, I will be more productive. That will lead to more promotions, lower odds of being fired, etc. I will come out ahead. Plus, I'll be happier.

If my employer benefits too, how does that hurt me?

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by px43 »

citilife wrote: post #179

> challenge incorrect assumptions. I say this without any charge, but this is a MAJOR ethical concern. They're encoding pro liberal ideology and bias against conservative / religious based ideology. https://venturebeat.com/ai/openai-claims-to-have-mitigated-b... You may disagree with either ideology, but there's some major implications there -- regardless of who it's bias against. A uniform society is a weak society.…

Only if your religion and/or political party requires hatred, dehumanization, or expulsion of minorities.

Justifying hatred by saying that it's part of your political or religious ideology is a pretty weak excuse. Obviously that sort of behavior can't be tolerated in a civilized society.

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Post by jeremyjh »

Beaver117 wrote: post #330
jeremyjh wrote: post #167

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So you are doing something like 400 queries a month and the aggregate value of all those responses is less than $20 to you? I've got to ask, why bother querying it at all?

Thats stupid, I use search engines much much more than 400 times a month and they are free.

Stupid? If you had no access to a free search engine would you spend $20 a month on it? I sure would. It is also stupid to think that promoted results aren't a cost for you; if the search provider values it, there must be a cost.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by [deleted] »

extr wrote: post #107

I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This i…

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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by FooBarWidget »

loteck wrote: post #338

Why isn't the inaccuracy of ChatGPT a more widely discussed topic on HN? Lots of excitement for responses that are often wrong when it counts. Best way I've heard it characterized is that ChatGPT is "dreaming" when providing responses. Yet it seems like users are relying on its responses to varying degrees?

This is my main concern. It's a good tool if you can afford not to take it too seriously. But when using it seriously, professionally, paid, it better be correct at least most of the time. 40% of the Azure related questions I ask are wrong. This makes me hesitant to spend $20. It's not that I can't afford it. But for that money I'd rather have occasional downtime than wrong answers.
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