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Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Each offshoot Abrahamic cult is worse than the last.

At least the second toned down on the ethnic superiority complex of the first. As did the third for that matter.

Why are people so eager to give the first of those religions a pass?

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Why are you selfcensoring "God"?

This is common in Judaism. I am not Jewish, so someone please correct me: I understand taking the name in vain or destroying the word once written are a no-go -- so if you never write it then there is not a big issue here.

It is but certainly not the English word “God” - for Jews it would technically be יהוה (YHWH) but if you’re not even Jewish why would you care?

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Specifically with respect to receiving censorship demands from foreign governments, what is the meaningful difference between the two?

One of them is an encyclopedia.

I'm asking you to explain why that difference is relevant to the consideration of receiving censorship demands from foreign governments. In my view, there is no relevant difference and both organizations should refuse these demands.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Previously there was a comment that was quite elucidative made by an HN user here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34304824 In recent years I've come around to viewing the American ideal of absolute "free speech" as not being all that nuanced, particularly because we know know the speed at which viral false and illegitimate claims travel and the slower speed at which reasoned responses to those speech travel. I…

An encyclopedia only journals what already exists in the world. There already exist many cultural illustrations of Muhammad and that's the only reason why Wikipedia also discusses them. This is a case of shooting the messenger.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Where, how, when does Google say there are more that two genders? By the way gender is a spectrum. A narrow spectrum where two genders describes most of the spectrum. But you get exceptions. Maybe being narrow minded is not the way. Expand yourself.

He’s just regurgitating what he heard on Fox News or a Ben Shapiro podcast, he’s not going to respond with sources

The irony in comments like this never ceases to amaze me.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Where, how, when does Google say there are more that two genders? By the way gender is a spectrum. A narrow spectrum where two genders describes most of the spectrum. But you get exceptions. Maybe being narrow minded is not the way. Expand yourself.

He’s just regurgitating what he heard on Fox News or a Ben Shapiro podcast, he’s not going to respond with sources

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Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Why are you selfcensoring "God"?

This is common in Judaism. I am not Jewish, so someone please correct me: I understand taking the name in vain or destroying the word once written are a no-go -- so if you never write it then there is not a big issue here.

Not Jewish, but that is indeed the Jewish tradition. The intention is respect/reverence.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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post #62

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Are there artistic depictions of Muhammed on Wikipedia?

while it may be tempting to condense the concern to the most virulent objections of an extreme, it bears remembrance that Pakistan is the only country to have been created in the name of Islam. the Holy Quran and Sunnah are effectively the books by which this nation is governed, and as such any charge of blasphemy is taken with a seriousness bordering on the academic. this blasphemy charge could stem from any of the…

The Islamic Republic of Iran is confused by this comment.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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I think it's also worth remembering that this isn't just some random quirk but something actively cultivated by many social groups. Many religious encourage that us-versus-them divide because it's a very effective mechanism for keeping people from leaving (my experience with this was fundamentalist Christianity where shunning was practiced so anyone breaking with official doctrine was going to have to give up most of…

I don’t think it’s limited to religious people or republicans. I see it on both sides. I do agree that it’s partially due to programming. If you look at movies for example you’ll see this black and white thinking. There’s a good guy and a bad guy and it’s all very simple.

It’s not exclusive to those groups but it’s quite noticeably stronger there. I think that’s because those groups push positions which are unpopular with a majority of the population, so you have to link that to things they do want or think they must do and push it as a package deal. “We’re under attack constantly by deceptive forces” is an effective way to prevent the culture of questioning any part of the package — e.g. someone who notices that Jesus didn’t actually say they have to shun their gay kid is is almost certainly going to wonder what other doctrine is like that.
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