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Write simply (2021)

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Re: Write simply (2021)

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This may be good advice for an instruction manual or children's books, but I think good prose is something of an art in and of itself. Some of the most successful writers do the opposite. Look at the articles that go viral ..you see that the prose is varied and even complicated, not just simple. The best prose is that which conveys the intended message for the intended audience in the best way possible. I think it's…

I know zero articles that went viral with varied and complicated prose. Care to share an example or two?

Re: Write simply (2021)

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To my inner ear it sounds choppy because there is no flow. The paragraphs do have a logical order, according to his intended argumentation, but the text would really read better if Graham would sprinkle in a few connectors.

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What is exactly that moves people to venerate, defend, and even battle for venture capital multimillionaires who wouldn’t take a minute to expend y’all as necessary casualties, if that would push their agenda and their wealth forward? I’m not dismissing their cultural relevance, I’m just constantly baffled at the fideism, and it honestly scares me a bit, as if people were prey to a global hallucination making them be…

As I explained above (in a later edit), this gets the arrow of causality backwards. In pg's case, all the qualities I am commenting on were completely in place before he ever invested in anything. Not only that but I admired and commented on them years before he became known for YC - because I had been turned on to his programming essays before that (thanks Joel Spolsky!) So I don't have to ask myself if I'm being a…

Fair answer, thanks. I am profoundly triggered by all the Musk veneration that Twitter keeps on feeding me these days, I guess.

Re the latter comment: a commendable trait of a good capitalist is to take hard decisions aimed at growing wealth or a business. If that comes at the expense of expandable humans, well tough luck. Not having this trait inevitably makes you a bad capitalist, or one that won’t succeed as fast or so greatly. Pg is an excellent capitalist.

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There's a cartoon about a boss' email versus an employee's. I took that to heart and started writing emails as such. Correction, grad student versus professor email.

Something like this: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3a/9a/e8/3a9ae804abc43be473e6...

I must be completely mis remembering this. Here it is http://emailmarketingweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/emai...

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It's his personal website, not a philosophy journal. Can we scrutinize all your comments for subject matter expertise? What is your expertise anyway?

Regardless of whether or not its his personal website, my point still stands, although reading my previous post I think I should be more specific. There are quite a lot of big-name programmers that gain large amounts of ego from their work to the point that they feel confident to speak on matters they're not terribly educated to the point that they're fantastically incorrect, and confidently so. >Can we scrutinize al…

I don't know any "big name programmers" but this is definitely a thing socially. Think actors and musicians commenting on social causes and whatnot.

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This may be good advice for an instruction manual or children's books, but I think good prose is something of an art in and of itself. Some of the most successful writers do the opposite. Look at the articles that go viral ..you see that the prose is varied and even complicated, not just simple. The best prose is that which conveys the intended message for the intended audience in the best way possible. I think it's…

" Why use many word, when few word do trick. " ~Kevin Malone, The Office. I agree with you.The point of language is to get an idea from my head into your head with as little loss-of-signal as possible. That is much more challenging than it might sound. Note: an idea might be an emotion. If I were to write that as simply as possible , I might say: "Yes. Talk is communication. That is hard" , or even more simply " Talk…

That joke spoils itself by adding "trick". But if it didn't, then it wouldn't work, since "Why use many words when few will do" is perfectly grammatical.

Re: Write simply (2021)

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As I explained above (in a later edit), this gets the arrow of causality backwards. In pg's case, all the qualities I am commenting on were completely in place before he ever invested in anything. Not only that but I admired and commented on them years before he became known for YC - because I had been turned on to his programming essays before that (thanks Joel Spolsky!) So I don't have to ask myself if I'm being a…

Fair answer, thanks. I am profoundly triggered by all the Musk veneration that Twitter keeps on feeding me these days, I guess. Re the latter comment: a commendable trait of a good capitalist is to take hard decisions aimed at growing wealth or a business. If that comes at the expense of expandable humans, well tough luck. Not having this trait inevitably makes you a bad capitalist, or one that won’t succeed as fast…

He's also a sentimental softie, but I had to be around him a while before noticing this.

Edit: I take your point about capitalism, but sometimes optimization is suboptimal. That is, sometimes narrow self-interest ends up limiting you, and sometimes going against self-interest (as currently perceived) leads to greater outcomes—like navigating through a narrow waterway and ending up in an ocean.

This is what happened with YC. The YC founders (not just PG) did things that the rest of the industry thought were dumb. For example, if the founders of a startup wanted to get acquihired, YC would say "great, do what you think best", where other investors would say "over my dead body" because they weren't making money on the deal. YC's attorneys in those days would send the paperwork back because they thought there must be some mistake.

It turned out that optimizing for founders optimized for YC as well, but this was not obvious at the time. Why did pg and YC do that? it wasn't because they were "good capitalists". It was because of the kind of people they were and the ideas they thought were cool. That turned out to be massively more profitable than being a ruthless capitalist would have. So in the end it gets a bit hard to draw these distinctions. Sometimes being a good capitalist makes you a worse capitalist!

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If that's true, please count me as pseudo intellectual also, because pg is one of the smartest people I've met and I continue to be in awe of how his mind works. I know it's silly to post such a thing, as the bias/conflict of interest is obvious and it will inevitably come across wrong—but I've thought and said this long before I met pg or had any connection to YC, so if there's a causal arrow it goes the other way.…

You're right, there is a lot to admire! It seems a key issue is that he often speaks in terms of what others should or should not do, rather than inviting others to see what has worked for him. Objectivity versus subjectivity. What makes it less palatable is that it appears carefully selected wording is used to (thinly) veil it to sound like something it isn't. Ultimately it means the writing can come across as very…

I don't think he's really telling others what to do; I think he's writing about what he's figured out for himself, and then stripping it down to a minimal expression. The minimalism—a kind of intellectual optimization—matters more to him than how people react.

The "sharing with other humans" aspects is an interesting point though, because the way that pg strips things down to minimal expression involves stripping out the signals that make people feel they're being shared with. I wrote about this point 15 years ago (a horrible thing to say, but I'll link to it nonetheless): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=143575.

Re: Write simply (2021)

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Strunk & White gets negative comments. But I was handed a copy when I started my first job out of college, and I found some elements of it quite valuable. Perhaps most of all, to review what you have written and remove words that don't really add anything.

Tightened-up prose really does make the world a better place :)

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