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Write simply (2021)

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Re: Write simply (2021)

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I get that this guy is like rich and famous and founded this website or something so people always post his stuff here but his writing always has this weird veneer of pseudo intellectual philosophy that I find very off putting.

It's only off-putting if you elevate it beyond what it's meant to be. It's just a blog.

Re: Write simply (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a similar vein, I got to the word "saltimbocca", two paragraphs in, and was painfully and utterly bored. And frankly, skimming the rest, I found most of the "conclusions" rather insulting. Imagine a world where fancy words can both give a simple idea, as well as provide a deeper meaning to those that look. Indeed some of the most profound and lasting prose is that which paints a scene in your mind. So what brings…

Good writing is hard. Word choice is more about style and vibe than good writing. For example, I can tell from your first paragraph that the character is a little boring, a bit plan. They get to the point and don’t have time to mess around. The character in your second paragraph is a pompous ass, they think highly of themselves, perhaps love to hear themselves think. Like a teenager who discovered depth and can’t wai…

lol. I was trying to make a bit of a contrast, but I dunno if I'd go so far as to say "pompous ass".

Ultimately you have a good point. My second example was over-the-top, and the first was over-simplified. I think it's safe to say there can be some middle-ground.

Or at least not "yo dawg, write simple bro, because words be hard" as a teenager close to me might say.

Re: Write simply (2021)

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post #38

I get that this guy is like rich and famous and founded this website or something so people always post his stuff here but his writing always has this weird veneer of pseudo intellectual philosophy that I find very off putting.

If that's true, please count me as pseudo intellectual also, because pg is one of the smartest people I've met and I continue to be in awe of how his mind works. I know it's silly to post such a thing, as the bias/conflict of interest is obvious and it will inevitably come across wrong—but I've thought and said this long before I met pg or had any connection to YC, so if there's a causal arrow it goes the other way.…

I don't really buy this idea of "thinking for yourself". We are nothing more than the product of our experiences: there are no axioms at the root of at any of our beliefs; fundamentally everything that goes through our heads is cobbled together from other sources that's cobbled together from other sources before that. And that's good! Because if we were attempting to derive everything from axioms that would be 1) impossible and 2) a total waste of time, because you're throwing away the collective knowledge of everyone who came before you.

I think what you are getting at, though, is not so much "thinking for yourself" as pg is unafraid to say unpopular things that are on his mind. And I don't mean this in a derogatory way: it's good to have people who aren't just posting sycophantic opinions following the zeitgeist. But I don't think that's what causes my reaction to pg's writings. I think he gives advice that is overly universalizing from his position as a wealthy VC: for example, his "The Two Kinds of Moderate" post strikes me as very much the kind of thing that is really only taking his own experiences into account.

Re: Write simply (2021)

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I get that this guy is like rich and famous and founded this website or something so people always post his stuff here but his writing always has this weird veneer of pseudo intellectual philosophy that I find very off putting.

Maybe I'm too simple to notice but I don't detect any pseudo intellectualism.

He makes a point and talks about it. There doesn't appear to be an attempt to come off smarter than he is.

Re: Write simply (2021)

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Thus herein in response thereto I should therefore applaud the application thereof the simplicity thereat in the writings therefrom Paulus journal which to all of us appertains and inspires to use the same.

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Kind of ironic he starts off with "I try to write using ordinary words and simple sentences" then dedicates an entire paragraph to making up an Italian word that really doesn't add anything to his point.

He used it as a metaphoric word picture and for me at least, it helped me picture in my mind what he was trying to convey in a concise and poetic way.

> dedicates an entire paragraph

You're technically right, but this entire paragraph consists of two sentences.

Re: Write simply (2021)

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post #38

I get that this guy is like rich and famous and founded this website or something so people always post his stuff here but his writing always has this weird veneer of pseudo intellectual philosophy that I find very off putting.

If that's true, please count me as pseudo intellectual also, because pg is one of the smartest people I've met and I continue to be in awe of how his mind works. I know it's silly to post such a thing, as the bias/conflict of interest is obvious and it will inevitably come across wrong—but I've thought and said this long before I met pg or had any connection to YC, so if there's a causal arrow it goes the other way.…

You're right, there is a lot to admire!

It seems a key issue is that he often speaks in terms of what others should or should not do, rather than inviting others to see what has worked for him. Objectivity versus subjectivity. What makes it less palatable is that it appears carefully selected wording is used to (thinly) veil it to sound like something it isn't.

Ultimately it means the writing can come across as very self-indulgent. It does not often strike me as coming from a place of feeling genuine, authentic passion about sharing with other humans.

Re: Write simply (2021)

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I think that is very good advice, but I would go even further: Try to make your ideas as simple as possible! Often we fall in love with or get used to ideas that are more complicated than they have to be. Simpler ideas often result in better and more beautiful designs. And simpler ideas can be expressed using simpler words.

Re: Write simply (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not only limited to pg, either. There are lots of big-name programmers that look at their programming skills and think it means they're good to speak on other, totally unrelated topics as if they're super geniuses.

It's his personal website, not a philosophy journal. Can we scrutinize all your comments for subject matter expertise? What is your expertise anyway?

Regardless of whether or not its his personal website, my point still stands, although reading my previous post I think I should be more specific. There are quite a lot of big-name programmers that gain large amounts of ego from their work to the point that they feel confident to speak on matters they're not terribly educated to the point that they're fantastically incorrect, and confidently so.

>Can we scrutinize all your comments for subject matter expertise?

Absolutely.

Re: Write simply (2021)

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I enjoy Paul Graham essays, because even if I don't always agree with the conclusions that he has drawn, the observations made are often thought provoking and insightful. I don't personally understand the anti-intellectualism and complaints that his essays often provoke in the comment sections of this website.

For example, in this essay I agreed with the main thrust and laughed at the irony of his Italian food example (which is certainly not a universal experience). Simple writing is good. Often. That's it right? There are contexts where we should strive to write more simply, and there are contexts in which we should encourage others to write simply. Does it make sense to qualify these contexts in his essay, or would the essay be any better for it? It would certainly be longer. More accurate perhaps, but better? Surely it would not be any more thought provoking to try and list all of the contexts under which a "write simply" rule ought to apply.

If a reader interprets any argument to follow a general rule such as this as literal an absolutist they're doing both the author and themselves a disservice.

Personally, I like to use a long word where a short word will do because it's fun. But when I write for the broadest audience it's better to follow this advice.

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