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Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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She doesn’t feel that way. She feels like she is surrounded by scummy males who just want to get laid and aren’t actually interested in her as a person. And constantly fending these men off is emotionally draining. Once she does fend them off, they aren’t exactly friendly any more, so she's surrounded by men who emotionally stunted and offended that she personally didn't respond to their advances. If she were interes…

Well if she’s fending off men - why would they be friendly?

I’m not friendly to anyone who acts like an asshole to me.

Your daughter is also probably just not attracted to the overwhelming majority of those men. She’s probably quite picky. Very common with engineering women since they have endless options.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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> I'm appalled that so many other commenters don't see an issue with such behavior in class: >> No unwanted advances It seems very appalling when you focus on the bits you don't like and ignore the bits like "no unwanted advances".

Making the interested parties "disgusted and uncomfortable" - on purpose! - pretty much qualifies as "unwanted advances".

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Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Whether or not this account is mostly true or not, IMO, the most important thing lost in this is that some young adults are reportedly so desperate for a date that they'll go to class more often. Think about how stunningly crazy that is. That's a clear indicator that something is really broken about society. What is it society that is so backwards right now? IMO, it's the bullshit of the last 3 years. If you're in co…

True. Going to class to meet girls is a pretty crazy thought.

“Hey man, that professor sucks and we can learn the material outside of class more effectively.”

“I gotta go though man, it’s my only way to meet girls… in a lecture where you can’t really talk to each other and maybe can get a few words in at the beginning and end.”

Truly we live in a dystopian time. Third spaces - even for college students are wildly absent.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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I'd guess the people doing this gaming probably think it's clever, fun, and fair play (designed by-and-for hormonal college students). Maybe all the school needs, to handle the problem without scandal or lawsuits, is for the students doing it to be called before a dean, who says it's disrupting class, and to save the dating efforts for extracurricular environments, not taint the academics. If they don't seem to get i…

>save the dating efforts for extracurricular environments Then we get: >Oh no I only joined to rec league soccer team to play soccer not so that lecherous guys can hit on me. I'm OK with the idea that there are certain situations where it isn't OK of approach women, but online at least there always seems to be a reason why any given situation is the wrong one.

People these days just hate the other gender and are incredibly socially awkward. Look online - there’s nothing out there from people saying they love the other gender. Nothing. It’s all hate. It’s because they’re all so fucking awkward and don’t know how to interact anymore.

People who only think the only appropriate avenue to ask someone out is through a dating app are very likely socially awkward and are not representative of the norm.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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I'm sorry for your situation but this is just ridiculous. You cannot ever harass someone through non-interaction, which is by definition aggresive and unwanted interaction. People complaining the women aren't being offered enough "private tutoring" in a post about how men offering women "private tutoring" being harassment. Being mildly autistic you can see why I don't date either gender with ridiculous sentiments lik…

>You cannot ever harass someone through non-interaction Maybe not harass, but it's a form of discrimination -- only giving professional opportunities to people willing to fuck you is absolutely not kosher. >Being mildly autistic you can see why I don't date either gender with ridiculous sentiments like these being blown around. I'm also on the autistic spectrum, and I've never had an issue finding partners, and I dou…

>>Being mildly autistic you can see why I don't date either gender with ridiculous sentiments like these being blown around.

> I'm also on the autistic spectrum, and I've never had an issue finding partners,

This is a major difference between males and females and it is hard to get either side to understand the experiences of the other. As a guy on the spectrum who managed to cross over somewhat to the dating side, I have sympathy for the OP's confusion. You may also have some confusion, but it doesn't stop you from having a relatively normal life.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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This seems like an extremely low yield way to get female attention. A male engineering student would have to take an entire class, study new material, and come up with schemes for seeming like a "chad" for the unlikely chance that the opposite gender will be impressed with him. They could spend that time building cool things. Are people really this desperate?

It is that bad. If I was in college again - I might consider the same approach. Modern dating is exceptionally difficult - especially so for men.

People really hate the other gender and there are very few ways to interact with the opposite sex without getting called a creep/harasser. Just look at this thread. It’s insane. “Online dating is the only acceptable form of social interaction with the opposite sex!”

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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I think one people miss is that lack of interaction can be a form of harassment. >we routinely have cases where a young man is leading open labs as if they're a teacher themselves (in order to "wow" their female classmates, offer "private free tutoring sessions", etc). Some of the young students in my class take up these offers, and this further demoralizes other female students seeing this happen (i.e. only attracti…

> I think one people miss is that lack of interaction can be a form of harassment. I don't think you actually think, that - be honest with yourself, have you ever spoke up on behalf on incels, claiming that they are actually a group of harassed males because females are ignoring them?

>be honest with yourself, have you ever spoke up on behalf on incels, claiming that they are actually a group of harassed males because females are ignoring them?

"Involuntary celibate" is a rapey, entitled, oxymoron of a phrase. Everyone wants physical affection.

I remember being distressed after the Elliot Rodger shooting, and discussing in therapy how I was... not like that... and still very lonely. I developed an eating disorder, because I had my PhD adviser and coauthors trapping me in academia by playing fast and loose with reccomendations -- only giving good ones if it'd benefit them getting tenure and keep me working on their grants, and meanwhile I had zero social life despite trying very hard.

(In retrospect, I should have taken a year off of drinking and dating and given it another go when I was healthier rather than fail upwards onto K Street, but that's a story for another day.)

Anyways... I'm talking about refusing to tutor someone unless they're pretty, not refusing to date them.

If you shut down any "fatties" or "uggos" who ask you how to smash the stack, you're engaging in a form of harassment.

I'm sorry that correctly stating a fact (giving different levels of support depending on if you've got romantic prospects) is a form of harassment apparently triggered so many.

Not only have I not spoken up for incels, I've actively advocated they should feel free to exit this planet (sans spree killing) if they feel that upset about their dating prospects.

(I'm not in the best place myself -- I got some bad advice on how long it takes to get an EU passport, so I'm stuck in a country I don't consent to living in with no job prospects because I'm not some alt-right lunatic and tried to stick up for people. But at least if I decide to leave this earth, I'll do it alone. But at least I know I can dial out for a booty call if I get sad, because I'm not some weirdo.)

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Less attractive girls get less male attention no matter what. Why would it be any more demoralizing if that attention comes with tutoring? Why would it be distracting? It seems everyone is complaining except the girls getting tutored. And if they did complain, if some guy was pushy or wouldn't take no for an answer, then deal with him the same as any other such guy - that they're attending a class for the sake of dat…

Because it can be very dehumanizing. "Even in a STEM class, I can't escape being unattractive". At minimum, it'll make me less likely to want to excel. (Been there)

> Even in a STEM class, I can't escape being unattractive

Ironically, the men that OP is complaining about almost definitely feel the same way: "even when I go out of my way to be helpful, I can't escape being so unattractive that they professor actually wants to kick me out of class."

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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She doesn’t feel that way. She feels like she is surrounded by scummy males who just want to get laid and aren’t actually interested in her as a person. And constantly fending these men off is emotionally draining. Once she does fend them off, they aren’t exactly friendly any more, so she's surrounded by men who emotionally stunted and offended that she personally didn't respond to their advances. If she were interes…

Well if she’s fending off men - why would they be friendly? I’m not friendly to anyone who acts like an asshole to me. Your daughter is also probably just not attracted to the overwhelming majority of those men. She’s probably quite picky. Very common with engineering women since they have endless options.

How would you feel about being in an environment where 75% of the people are mad at you because you didn’t want to get naked with them? Would you find that environment conducive to professional development?

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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I'm appalled that so many other commenters don't see an issue with such behavior in class: > number of female students have approached me, noting they are disgusted and uncomfortable with the amount of leching taking place > It's also demoralizing several of them, since we routinely have cases where a young man is leading open labs as if they're a teacher themselves (in order to "wow" their female classmates, offer "…

> you'd end up avoiding such a class

Of course, the only workable solution is the only one you're not allowed to suggest: gender-segregated colleges.

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