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Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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post #95

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Nobody cares if college students try to date other students from their classes. It is weird when people take a class specifically because of that reason though. It is even weirder when the class in question is something that they have a very high skill level in specifically so that they will be able leverage that into some kind of situation that leads to dating. This is pretty cut and dry to me, I am not sure why so…

> It is weird when people take a class specifically because of that reason though. Really? I know people who specifically chose their entire major based on the ratio of women in that major.

They at least had to attempt to earnestly learn the material.

Going into "easy" courses you have already mastered to force interactions with others is different.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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post #33

I suspect that if you just announced this fact to the women in the class - either officially, if that doesn't get you in trouble, or under the table if it would - then the problem would basically solve itself. Certainly no males in the class would be getting dates.

Girls must be protected from being asked out at all costs because they are strong and independent future girl-bosses.

stunning and brave, queen.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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The only thing this person needs help with is how to laugh at the cleverness here. Doesn't this actually push really hard towards a perfect 50/50 split of men and women in the classes anyway? Isn't that exactly what the professor wants?

Think of it closer to a company where the interns are girls, the team leaders are boys (who took the job to chat up the interns) and are now in a position of power and can legitimately ask for time with the girls (in 1-1s). They don’t do anything illegal or even hit on them overtly but it is creepy as hell.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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I still have clear recollection of the 50:1 men-to-women ratio in my CS2xx classes and higher. Your odds weren't good if you were hoping to meet Mrs. Right. I imagine things have gotten better since. Still, seems like a fairly high effort low outcome place to meet someone who is likely not even receptive to advances in that context. Do colleges not offer many other opportunities for people to meet outside of class in…

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Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's true, then the only way to let a woman know you're interested in her is after she has first told you. But that's a horrible way to make room for different personality types. Some women are assertive. Some are less so. Should the more reserved women just stay single?

Do the more reserved women want to stay single? Maybe they do! And most people have introvert friends and extrovert friends. You meet safe and good people through friend circles and then they get you to meet the other person.

I've had multiple conversations with women who are somewhere between disappointed and despondent that guys don't hit on them more.

>I mentioned to several of the people I interviewed for this piece that I’d met my husband in an elevator, in 2001. (We worked on different floors of the same institution, and over the months that followed struck up many more conversations—in the elevator, in the break room, on the walk to the subway.) I was fascinated by the extent to which this prompted other women to sigh and say that they’d just love to meet someone that way. And yet quite a few of them suggested that if a random guy started talking to them in an elevator, they would be weirded out. “Creeper! Get away from me,” one woman imagined thinking. “Anytime we’re in silence, we look at our phones,” explained her friend, nodding. Another woman fantasized to me about what it would be like to have a man hit on her in a bookstore. (She’d be holding a copy of her favorite book. “What’s that book?” he’d say.) But then she seemed to snap out of her reverie, and changed the subject to Sex and the City reruns and how hopelessly dated they seem. “Miranda meets Steve at a bar,” she said, in a tone suggesting that the scenario might as well be out of a Jane Austen novel, for all the relevance it had to her life.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex...

I think the solution that leaves everyone happy is: start a conversation with that woman, but if she's not interested, leave her alone.

Look at it in utilitarian terms:

* If the woman you're talking to isn't interested, your attempt to start a conversation will create a brief unpleasant experience for her.

* If she is interested, there's a chance at a great, long-lasting romance which will benefit both you and her.

The positive utility from finding your future spouse is much larger than the negative utility from a brief unwanted conversation. So on expectation it often makes sense to start that conversation.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's true, then the only way to let a woman know you're interested in her is after she has first told you. But that's a horrible way to make room for different personality types. Some women are assertive. Some are less so. Should the more reserved women just stay single?

Do the more reserved women want to stay single? Maybe they do! And most people have introvert friends and extrovert friends. You meet safe and good people through friend circles and then they get you to meet the other person.

Maybe they don't!

"[27/F] Why don't guys approach me? I even go out on my errands alone, or hang out at cafes alone (like, go out and eat while reading a book) just to put myself out there."[1]

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Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

#187
post #43

> This might be hard, as no unwanted advances are taking place. We simply have students excelling at the course, and drawing-in a crowd. I should've been more clear with my "leching" comment. Still, it seems harassing in nature. It seems increasingly that society demands a world where dating only happens during designated and approved dating times and venues, and outside those strictly delimited places, men are to be…

There is a strong correlation with a puritanical culture having much higher birth rates than a sexually permissive one, so I don't think that is the reason.

We have moved from a sexually permissive society 60/70/80s 90s.. but sex is now taboo under the thought of children seeing content and being abused by the experience and children being allowed in previously adult spaces.

Ever wonder why murdering, killing, blood, guns are allowed on prime time tv but naked breasts are not? It use to be the opposite.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

#188
post #61

It was kinda obvious knowledge back when I was the uni on which courses have higher ratio, that just centralized this knowledge. The professor sounds like total buzzkill, "how dare they use our forced diversity program against us!"

Yeah this was completely known among all where many members of the opposite sex congregate be it courses, clubs, or other places.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

#189
Well, on one hand you have created "damsel in distress" classes for women who should not necessarily be in that field, so that part of the problem. On the other hand, dating is also very necessary and is more important for men and women in the big picture than an average college class. It's "How I met my future wife" app, not "How I met my latest one night stand". Places with concentration of young people should give them more transparent and dignified places to meet, get to know each other and prove their worth as a mate. In this sense, help with studies is a classic part of courting someone and there is nothing wrong with that.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

#190
post #39

I find it a little disturbing that the top rated answer that people reached for is to bring in Title IX claiming this is discrimination.

Title IX covers a lot more than discrimination!

That said, the professor is a mandatory reporter under federal law. Either she is aware of violations and has reported them, or she doesn’t believe that what is happening crosses that line.

Especially when she writes that students have complained to her. If it even begins to sound like a Title IX violation, you interrupt to tell them that you are legally required to make a report of anything they tell you and offer to let them continue talking or that you will personally escort them to the university office where they can talk to someone that is not legally required to make a report. You absolutely do not solicit the internet for advice.

So this is dumb, creepy, and uncool. But it’s not a Title IX issue.

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