This is great! Kids should just be kids not have an agenda shoved down there throats!
Sarcasm? Because that's exactly what is happening, republicans using kids for their agenda.
Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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I'm genuinely interested in the answer to this. It is definitely found in an elementary school? I can see that it is on the banned list, but are you sure this book was actually found in an elementary school? Someone in a position of authority then needed to specifically order it, and that would be a dereliction of their duties if they did so, and that would prove the "grooming" assertion. Is there documented proof th…
Did you Google it yet? This isn't an obscure issue.
Here is what I found:
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2022-05-29/florida-d...
https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2021/11/19/pinellas-...
Neither of these links say elementary school. One explicitly says high school.
I'm genuinely interested, is there an elementary school which had this book available for kids?
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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> Anything can be deemed pornographic by anyone anytime I think this is taking things to a very pedantic level. Pornography is clear when you see it. From the article: defined in the Merriam Webster dictionary as “the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.” > Children are sometimes born with ambiguous genitalia at birth. That's obviously not what the issue is her…
> Pornography is clear when you see it. That's the entire point about what constitutes what pornography is. I have to bring you around with me to decide whether the venus de milo or a copy of playboy ca. 1975 is pornography. I may afterall have different standards for what constitutes pornography than you. For the record, I don't think either of them are. > That's obviously not what the issue is here. That is absolut…
> I have to bring you around with me to decide whether the venus de milo or a copy of playboy ca. 1975 is pornography
Why would any child need to be put in such a place that we need to decide whether that material constitute pornography in the first place?
Your second point is invalid (and disrespectful towards The Creator obviously). Gender and sex are tied together. Effeminate men or masculine women are a thing, but they are men and women at the end of the day. There is no such thing as "penis on a girl", other than being a mental illness. It's called gender dysphoria.
> So nazi's were never racist or oppresive?
Nazism is not a race or sex or color or other immutable part of someone. It's an ideology that one can choose whether to ascribe to it or not. This is so obvious.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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I think you answered your own question: the prohibitions here are (1) overly broad, and designed to stifle otherwise legitimate educational materials, and (2) represent an implied political risk to teachers ("avoid the things that make us squeamish, or we'll make you a political target").
What legitimate education materials for young children (or anyone really) contain pornography or attribute racism purely based on someone's race or color? Again I'm honestly asking.
Sophie's Choice is a somewhat famous example of the former, and To Kill a Mockingbird is a somewhat famous example of the latter.
Alternatively: anything by Philip Roth, for either.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
What legitimate education materials for young children (or anyone really) contain pornography or attribute racism purely based on someone's race or color? Again I'm honestly asking.
Sophie's Choice is a somewhat famous example of the former, and To Kill a Mockingbird is a somewhat famous example of the latter. Alternatively: anything by Philip Roth, for either.
Which elementary school children are going to need to read or watch those materials?
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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Sophie's Choice is a somewhat famous example of the former, and To Kill a Mockingbird is a somewhat famous example of the latter. Alternatively: anything by Philip Roth, for either.
Which elementary school children are going to need to read or watch those materials?
I read TKAM in elementary school. I also read Maus in elementary school.
"Need" is an incorrect characterization. The appropriate characterization is whether those materials should be restricted, which they shouldn't.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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Which elementary school children are going to need to read or watch those materials?
I read TKAM in elementary school. I also read Maus in elementary school. "Need" is an incorrect characterization. The appropriate characterization is whether those materials should be restricted , which they shouldn't.
It doesn't seem that those books would fit the ban rules, which you're assuming.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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I read TKAM in elementary school. I also read Maus in elementary school. "Need" is an incorrect characterization. The appropriate characterization is whether those materials should be restricted , which they shouldn't.
It doesn't seem that those books would fit the ban rules, which you're assuming.
They don't need to; as the original comment said, the primary goal here is to diminish educators' autonomy.
At this state in the comment tree, I don't think there's sufficient reason to believe you're earnestly curious. But on the outside chance that you genuinely are, there are ample historical records of what happens when states begin to ban educational resources; you may or may not find those more convincing than a stranger on the Internet.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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It doesn't seem that those books would fit the ban rules, which you're assuming.
They don't need to; as the original comment said, the primary goal here is to diminish educators' autonomy. At this state in the comment tree, I don't think there's sufficient reason to believe you're earnestly curious. But on the outside chance that you genuinely are, there are ample historical records of what happens when states begin to ban educational resources; you may or may not find those more convincing than…
The original comment never provided evidence to back up the claimed primary goal. It seems everyone is arguing from a slippery slope point of view, which I can understand given that both parties have achieved some goals using that technique. Thought it doesn't mean I don't agree with the stated goals that children should not be exposed to those things.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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And criminal tendency is just innate? Or is it also caused by socio-economic and historical factors? Just because you want to stop asking "why" at "criminal tendency", doesn't mean the rest of us aren't curious.
Do I? I have no idea if criminal tendency is innate. And frankly I think such a discussion has no place in K-12 education, even if it were just a plain fact that black people were somehow inherently predisposed to criminality. They're Americans, they're part of our mix. But 12 year olds do not have the reasoning capacity to handle that issue. It's not "age-appropriate" for 12 year olds to be introduced to such topics…
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