This is great!
Kids should just be kids not have an agenda shoved down there throats!
Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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Gonna be a lot of books about sexual dimorphism and crime statistics in there.
Which states felonize these, exactly? Just because you'd like to turn this into both sides, doesn't mean it is. The extremists running most of the south don't even bother with even a fig leaf of consistency. Not that it's a new phenomena. The founding fathers were throwing shade on this, with Jefferson calling it: "zealous of their own liberties but trampling on those of others".
Or, since you mention Jefferson, Samuel Johnson asking, "Why is it that we always hear the loudest cries for liberty from the drivers of slaves?"
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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The uneducated make great voters and even better workers.
Which is exactly why there's a gigantic push for gender ideology, whiteness studies, and other grievance studies. Those steeped in the ideology are truly uneducated and will vote for those pushing these beliefs. They're pro-open immigration so the better workers will flood in, and the more diverse the workplace, the less likely they are to unionize.( https://www.jstor.org/stable/24810295 ). It's a win/won for the cap…
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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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> the intention, which is to teach young adults (late teenagers) healthy sexual habits Religious and conservative groups have been trying to cancel sex ed pretty consistently, so I suppose the opposition to this book is not surprising.
Why is it being placed in elementary schools?
I'm genuinely interested in the answer to this. It is definitely found in an elementary school? I can see that it is on the banned list, but are you sure this book was actually found in an elementary school? Someone in a position of authority then needed to specifically order it, and that would be a dereliction of their duties if they did so, and that would prove the "grooming" assertion.
Is there documented proof that this was in an elementary school?
This feels like an important question. If it isn't found in elementary schools, then there simply is not a teacher or librarian out there attempting to put books in front of elementary kids. And, then this whole argument seems like virtue signaling for political gain.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
#95This is great! Kids should just be kids not have an agenda shoved down there throats!
Those in power decide what constitutes an acceptable agenda. What can go wrong there? You can already see from the books banned it's not being equally applied.
It's the same "protect the children!" farce we've seen countless times. See the forest for the trees, it's just to control information and erase the fact LGBTQ people exist.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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Why is it being placed in elementary schools?
I'm genuinely interested in the answer to this. It is definitely found in an elementary school? I can see that it is on the banned list, but are you sure this book was actually found in an elementary school? Someone in a position of authority then needed to specifically order it, and that would be a dereliction of their duties if they did so, and that would prove the "grooming" assertion. Is there documented proof th…
Did you Google it yet? This isn't an obscure issue.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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Don't you dare come out with a both sides issue here, your position would be laughable if it wasn't so hateful. "People who want to be left alone will be trounced by" You, people like you feel the need to tell trans and queer people who they can and can't be because you are such snowflakes that you feel threatened by people being different. The politicians people like you vote into office actively promote stochastic…
Yet despite your complaints, you're happy to post a comment using a homophobic slur, twice in the same comment. And support an ideology that erases homosexuality. Sort yourself out first, before casting stones.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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Let's be honest here, what's wrong with their list of prohibited books? From the article: * Pornography * Instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in grades kindergarten through three. * Discrimination in such a way that “an individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin is inherently racist or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously. I don't want to straw man, but what'…
It's one thing if you want to make sharing of prurient materials to children a crime, and that already is, frankly. But the other two, you're really okay with Florida making a felony out of the other two? * Pornography ... is defined in the eye of the beholder. Anything can be deemed pornographic by anyone anytime. Are Judy Blume books pornographic? https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1004/obscenity-... * In…
> Anything can be deemed pornographic by anyone anytime
I think this is taking things to a very pedantic level. Pornography is clear when you see it. From the article: defined in the Merriam Webster dictionary as “the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.”
> Children are sometimes born with ambiguous genitalia at birth.
That's obviously not what the issue is here. They're referring to the blurring of lines such that anyone can claim to be anything they want, no more subjective truth. Intersex, what you're referring to, is a different matter.
> Again.. who decides? Are Nazi's bad? Are WWII books about Nazi's bad? Would films about the holocaust be bad? Also not felony worthy.
That doesn't seem to be what's being referred to here. Re-read the phrasing again. An individual simply by virtue of who they are (race, sex, etc.) cannot be labeled as inherently racist or oppressive, which is very logical and sane. What's the problem with that approach?
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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Honest question, in which way is the autnomy of educators being undermined? The article mentions several topics that are prohibited to discuss for children.
I think you answered your own question: the prohibitions here are (1) overly broad, and designed to stifle otherwise legitimate educational materials, and (2) represent an implied political risk to teachers ("avoid the things that make us squeamish, or we'll make you a political target").
What legitimate education materials for young children (or anyone really) contain pornography or attribute racism purely based on someone's race or color? Again I'm honestly asking.
Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state
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It's one thing if you want to make sharing of prurient materials to children a crime, and that already is, frankly. But the other two, you're really okay with Florida making a felony out of the other two? * Pornography ... is defined in the eye of the beholder. Anything can be deemed pornographic by anyone anytime. Are Judy Blume books pornographic? https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1004/obscenity-... * In…
> Anything can be deemed pornographic by anyone anytime I think this is taking things to a very pedantic level. Pornography is clear when you see it. From the article: defined in the Merriam Webster dictionary as “the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.” > Children are sometimes born with ambiguous genitalia at birth. That's obviously not what the issue is her…
> Pornography is clear when you see it.
That's the entire point about what constitutes what pornography is. I have to bring you around with me to decide whether the venus de milo or a copy of playboy ca. 1975 is pornography. I may afterall have different standards for what constitutes pornography than you. For the record, I don't think either of them are.
> That's obviously not what the issue is here.
That is absolutely the point. If god fucks up something as simple as genitalia, then it's clear he could also fuck up one's own sense of gender. It's possible he put a penis on a girl, say?
> An individual simply by virtue of who they are (race, sex, etc.) cannot be labeled as inherently racist or oppressive
So nazi's were never racist or oppresive? That's what the nazi's stood for. Are you saying that Nazi's can't be ever called racist because they were Nazi's? That seems silly.