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My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by wenc »

acdha wrote: post #113
wenc wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Touch ID does not work well during the winter in northern climates. The lack of humidity leads to dry fingertips that Touch ID does not recognize consistently. I have 5 finger prints saved - and every couple of weeks Touch ID fails to recognize any due to dry fingers. I’ve just gotten used to entering the numeric passcode instead. In contrast Face ID rarely fails.

The problem I have with Touch ID is when my fingers are wet, such as after swimming or washing dishes. Face ID works well there, but not when I'm wearing a mask/scarf, so I really wonder what the cost differential would be for adding both. The feature which as come in handy for me most is that feature to unlock with Apple Watch which covers most of both scenarios but then you need a fairly expensive second accessory…

Face ID works with both masks and scarves (at the price of less security - it only uses the area around the eyes for auth) — you have to enable it in Settings. This was a feature added during the pandemic when folks started wearing masks.

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Post by MichaelZuo »

cafeinux wrote: post #98
MichaelZuo wrote: post #88

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It's to allow the fingers someplace safe to apply leverage against when opening the lid. Which is why I think the screen is so much more fragile then the previous model. Lots of users don't care about placing their fingers in the right spot and stress-wear the LCD.

That sounds like bad UX.

Yes, it seems like Jony Ive was the only one in senior management who had the authority to unilaterally block these bad design decisions.

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Post by willio58 »

3pac wrote: post #108
3pac wrote: post #85

I think that MacOS is terrific and keeps getting better. It's well past time to include Pages, Numbers, Keynote, GarageBand and iMovie in the base install image. Also mkv, ogg, opus codecs for QuickTime. I prefer to do as much as I can from the trusted base install. I do not wish to install Homebrew or anything else. I wish that the base install included a few CLI packages like nmap and bsd-games. Also some public-do…

I forgot Xcode, it should be included, plus all the Dictionary files, considering how much storage is on even the base configurations being sold.

What's the issue with keeping these all free but not installed by default? I haven't used any of those apps in years.

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Post by Tagbert »

Tagbert wrote: post #104
ClassyJacket wrote: post #45

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On that note... why do the MacBooks even have a notch considering: A) FaceID is tiny now, look at the iPhone 14, and B) No Mac has FaceID anyway. What's in there apart from a tiny camera and light sensor? There's no way those two things can take up that much space.

FaceID is much thicker than the lid in a MacBook. The phones are much thicker. If you were to add it, there would need to be a wart on the lid to make space for it. TouchId works well the the keyboard-oriented interface of a laptop so there is little additional benefit to FaceID. In the iOS implementations, you still need a special button to authorize purchases with FaceID, so it doesn’t help in that situation. BTW t…

FYI typo “the model contains” should be “the module contains”

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Post by 3pac »

willio58 wrote: post #123
3pac wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forgot Xcode, it should be included, plus all the Dictionary files, considering how much storage is on even the base configurations being sold.

What's the issue with keeping these all free but not installed by default? I haven't used any of those apps in years.

I do not consider logging into iCloud to be part of "finishing setting up" my computer. In fact, I would like more out-of-the-box visibility into the phoning-home that Mac OS X performs.

With Xcode specifically, I think a computer should be immediately programmable, like a BASIC interpreter used to be included. Especially to encourage young people.

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Post by acdha »

wenc wrote: post #121
acdha wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem I have with Touch ID is when my fingers are wet, such as after swimming or washing dishes. Face ID works well there, but not when I'm wearing a mask/scarf, so I really wonder what the cost differential would be for adding both. The feature which as come in handy for me most is that feature to unlock with Apple Watch which covers most of both scenarios but then you need a fairly expensive second accessory…

Face ID works with both masks and scarves (at the price of less security - it only uses the area around the eyes for auth) — you have to enable it in Settings. This was a feature added during the pandemic when folks started wearing masks.

Maybe there's a version dependency? None of my devices have that.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by wenc »

acdha wrote: post #126
wenc wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Face ID works with both masks and scarves (at the price of less security - it only uses the area around the eyes for auth) — you have to enable it in Settings. This was a feature added during the pandemic when folks started wearing masks.

Maybe there's a version dependency? None of my devices have that.

Yes looks like you need iOS 15.4+ on iPhone 12 or later.

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Post by musicale »

3pac wrote: post #125
willio58 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the issue with keeping these all free but not installed by default? I haven't used any of those apps in years.

I do not consider logging into iCloud to be part of "finishing setting up" my computer. In fact, I would like more out-of-the-box visibility into the phoning-home that Mac OS X performs. With Xcode specifically, I think a computer should be immediately programmable, like a BASIC interpreter used to be included. Especially to encourage young people.

Most computing devices include a web browser with a JavaScript interpreter.

However, it isn't easy for beginners to discover or to learn to use.

But... regardless of any improvements to make programming more discoverable and accessible, I don't foresee a resurgence of interest in end-user programming, because:

1) Apps have made end-user programming obsolete (much like web 2.0 eliminating end-user HTML and JavaScript.)

2) Some computer scientists (Matt Welsh, Bertrand Meyer, et al.) predict that programming will go the way of assembly language as AI systems become capable of writing complex programs.

If (2) comes true, we may see a situation where end users provide prompts to AI systems which generate complete custom programs on demand.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by acdha »

wenc wrote: post #127
acdha wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe there's a version dependency? None of my devices have that.

Yes looks like you need iOS 15.4+ on iPhone 12 or later.

I’m running 16 but on an iPhone 11 so that explains it.

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Post by tpmoney »

RedShift1 wrote: post #12

To me the idea of having to allow devices to connect is completely wrong. I have already undertaken a physical action to connect a device, why would I suddenly change my mind afterwards? The physical act itself IS the permission. What does it help when the OS asks you "are you sure"?

Given the number of devices today that use USB power, I don't think you can assume connecting a device physically means you also want data transfer. For example, I often bring my personal tablet to work so that I don't mix personal stuff onto my business computer. As a result I frequently plug it into the work machine to charge it, so I welcome the fact that I can tell my work computer "no I don't want any data transfers between this device which I intentionally plugged in and the computer"

I do worry about the fact that warning fatigue is a thing but so far I only seem to get the dialog on first connection and after an OS update which seems an ok compromise to me.

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