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Sh1mmer – An exploit capable of unenrolling enterprise-managed Chromebooks

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Post by danpalmer »

nkrisc wrote: post #55
danpalmer wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I used a laptop full time in school from 16-18 (and then at university too) and found it much more productive. My notes were better and more usable. For younger children I think everyone agrees that it's important to be teaching computer skills, and that requires computers. Having rooms of desktop computers is arguably outdated, and a poor use of space, so many schools have switched to trolleys of shared laptops…

Developmentally, a 16-18 year old is very different than a child. I don’t know whether laptops in school are bad for children, but you can’t really make that comparison. Personally, my belief is that children should learn to use computers (I did as a child, and it was massively beneficial) but that computers should not be central to their foundational education. Kids shouldn’t learn basic arithmetic on a computer. Th…

I agree that developmentally children are different at that age, which is why I suggested different reasons why it may still be appropriate.

I think basic computer access at home and for homework is a pretty convincing reason. And I do agree that kids should learn to write with a pen and do maths without a calculator (/computer).

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Post by bertil »

rlmineing_dead wrote: post #167
bertil wrote: post #119

I stand with everyone on Hacker News in admiration for young’uns sticking it to the man and learning about command-line secret power. _However_, I’m a little more ambivalent knowing that most of them do that to look at naked ladies, presumably. Maybe create pictures of naked ladies (again: very impressed by Generative AI, with the caveat that it’s widely used for pr0n) That doesn’t feel ideal for the emotional matura…

Um, we didn't create the exploit to look at porn, that should be blocked on the network level anyways

I guess people making and hacking those things are smarter than me. That’s a good thing.

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Post by bertil »

npteljes wrote: post #130
bertil wrote: post #119

I stand with everyone on Hacker News in admiration for young’uns sticking it to the man and learning about command-line secret power. _However_, I’m a little more ambivalent knowing that most of them do that to look at naked ladies, presumably. Maybe create pictures of naked ladies (again: very impressed by Generative AI, with the caveat that it’s widely used for pr0n) That doesn’t feel ideal for the emotional matura…

>hacking the school network meant you risk exposing yourself to people with strong opinions about plot points in Buffy The Vampire Slayer Not really, porn and gore were integral parts of the internet even "back then". Rotten.com launched in 1996 for example, Ogrish at 2000. Eating disorders are also fluorishing in the current era, on TikTok for one, but I remember the pro-ana websites from my youth as well, distribut…

Technically, I was talking about the late 80s, early 90s. But Buffy did start in 1997, so I guess I was reading about Warhammer alternative rules at the time? Probably not very healthy either.

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Post by rlmineing_dead »

Taywee wrote: post #164
knodi123 wrote: post #134

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> In my time ::shakes fists at cloud::, hacking the school network meant you risk exposing yourself to people with strong opinions about plot points in Buffy The Vampire Slayer. lol. In my time, hacking the school network meant you could access programs that belonged to other schools, or print to their printers. And that was pretty much it.

In my time, hacking the school network meant you could put cracked versions of Starcraft and Diablo II into the public drives and turn CAD class into a LAN party.

Modern day applocker bypasses are fun, dump the registry, look for path exceptions you can write too, profit

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Post by rlmineing_dead »

XionXIV wrote: post #148
bertil wrote: post #119

I stand with everyone on Hacker News in admiration for young’uns sticking it to the man and learning about command-line secret power. _However_, I’m a little more ambivalent knowing that most of them do that to look at naked ladies, presumably. Maybe create pictures of naked ladies (again: very impressed by Generative AI, with the caveat that it’s widely used for pr0n) That doesn’t feel ideal for the emotional matura…

This really is not something that I have thought about very much as they very likely have phones where they are able to view all of the same content, anyway.

Why would you watch porn at school

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Post by XionXIV »

rlmineing_dead wrote: post #175
XionXIV wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really is not something that I have thought about very much as they very likely have phones where they are able to view all of the same content, anyway.

Why would you watch porn at school

???

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Post by rez9x »

DharmaPolice wrote: post #88

I wouldn't have a career in IT if I hadn't spent many hours at ages 11 to 15 trying to get round my schools network security. My logon was frequently disabled for misuse and I was even suspended for a couple of days once but I learnt more that way than in any class I've ever taken.

I had the 'benefit' of a poorer school district with basically no IT. The extent of blocks on our computer labs was an application running at startup. Being Windows 98, I just booted into DOS and renamed the executable.

Teacher didn't care if we bypassed it, as long as we put it back before class was over.

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Post by bertil »

XionXIV wrote: post #148
bertil wrote: post #119

I stand with everyone on Hacker News in admiration for young’uns sticking it to the man and learning about command-line secret power. _However_, I’m a little more ambivalent knowing that most of them do that to look at naked ladies, presumably. Maybe create pictures of naked ladies (again: very impressed by Generative AI, with the caveat that it’s widely used for pr0n) That doesn’t feel ideal for the emotional matura…

This really is not something that I have thought about very much as they very likely have phones where they are able to view all of the same content, anyway.

My mobile provider has an adult filter that has a strong opinion about the maturity level of Cory Doctorow, so I trip upon that porn filter more often than I’d like. I never asked to have it, but it was there. I tried to take it off once because it felt ridiculous and violently ironic to have to put stuff on Pocket to read about the latest fuck-up in copyright. Still, I literally couldn’t figure out to play the real-life role-playing game of saying the right thing each one of to the unending stream of customer service reps on the phone.

Wouldn’t parents set up something similar when they first get a contract for their kids? If I had mine on by default, wouldn’t they insist on having one?

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Post by npteljes »

killjoywashere wrote: post #152
npteljes wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>hacking the school network meant you risk exposing yourself to people with strong opinions about plot points in Buffy The Vampire Slayer Not really, porn and gore were integral parts of the internet even "back then". Rotten.com launched in 1996 for example, Ogrish at 2000. Eating disorders are also fluorishing in the current era, on TikTok for one, but I remember the pro-ana websites from my youth as well, distribut…

> Emotional maturation, strong connection to people matter a lot The first time I got called to the office was as a freshman in high school for fixing the 4 computer lab computers another kid had borked. That was Windows 3.0 and there was no network. The vice principal sat us down together and said the other kid was headed for a life of trouble and should be more like me. It was his considered opinion that I would go…

This kind of introspection sounds like a good thing to me too.

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Post by ethbr0 »

derefr wrote: post #158
ethbr0 wrote: post #151

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So was I, but that's the point of instilling a culture of "you break it, you deal with the consequences." Getting a zero on your next hw/quiz/lab/test, because your machine was non-compliant and you didn't know how to switch it back, is fair. Then reimage the machine on IT's timeline. And if mom and dad want to bitch, they deserve to be told that little Timmy screwed up his own laptop.

I would note that "screwing up your laptop" for a test written online, is a lot like "screwing up your pencil" for a test written on paper. A laptop can be borked, but it can also just have keys that break off, or other damage, some of which might be entirely accidental. Likewise, a student might snap their pencil in half or forget to bring it or grind it down to an unusable nub, but they also might just have a crap…

Fair point. In my mind, breaking your school laptop by modifying it is a bit like breaking your pencil by using it as a crowbar. Or if I used my textbook to level a table and the pages got stuck together.

The school owes you a working device, if they give device-requiring assignments.

But the responsibility passes to you once you modify or use that device outside of its default settings.

Which, IMHO, would be a great life lesson to teach!

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