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My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by specialist »

siva7 wrote: post #19
RedShift1 wrote: post #12

To me the idea of having to allow devices to connect is completely wrong. I have already undertaken a physical action to connect a device, why would I suddenly change my mind afterwards? The physical act itself IS the permission. What does it help when the OS asks you "are you sure"?

This thread clearly shows that even in 2023 people still don't understand USB attack vectors and still think this is some evil move by Apple to degrade the user experience

I assume the improved USB security is a) response to actual attacks (which Apple understandably doesn't want to publicize), b) fulfilling every more rigorous corporate and government criteria, or c) both.

I'm fine with it. Every thing Apple does to postpone my eventual pwning suits me just fine.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

specialist wrote: post #71
siva7 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thread clearly shows that even in 2023 people still don't understand USB attack vectors and still think this is some evil move by Apple to degrade the user experience

I assume the improved USB security is a) response to actual attacks (which Apple understandably doesn't want to publicize), b) fulfilling every more rigorous corporate and government criteria, or c) both. I'm fine with it. Every thing Apple does to postpone my eventual pwning suits me just fine.

Just turn your computer off. Pwning is thus postponed indefinitely.

...oh, you wanted to get work done too? Well, now we have to compromise some things.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by rhaway84773 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #6

Critical, hyperbolic judgements like this one, and also calling yourself 'controversial', are commonplace, mundane, cliches on the Internet. Why are people still taken in by this form of rhetoric? I'd expect people to be immunized by now.

Ignoring the title of the piece, every point is specific and clear about the criticism it’s making.

You may disagree with the points, but this is a well presented critique.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by rhaway84773 »

andy_ppp wrote: post #28

For me for some reason printers added from the print dialog do not work, printers added from settings work just fine. But generally the update has been pretty good. To be fair compared to this Windows machine I'm forced to use for work, MacOS is so far ahead I cannot believe it. I just had to reboot because the OS seems have the keyboard stop working every couple of days of uptime. Everything is buggy, flakey and un-…

Honestly, this sounds like you have a hardware issue with your Windows machine.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by Koshkin »

thfuran wrote: post #64
wkat4242 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually quite ergonomic if you have the laptop in your lap. Using the touchpad is more awkward. This is basically what I use the touchscreen on my Thinkpad for.

But working with a laptop in your lap is just about the opposite of ergonomic.

No, it would be opposite if it was someone else’s lap.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by dang »

BuckyBeaver wrote: post #36
CharlieDigital wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife has a Surface laptop and there are a lot of use cases where it's very natural to use touch. Scrolling when reading long documents is one. Looking at maps (e.g Google Maps) is another. Basically anything that has a lot of scrolling, panning, and zooming. Drawing annotations is another. For example Slack screen share, whiteboard apps, and so on. Of course there is the touchpad, but in these cases - especially w…

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Could you please not post in the flamewar style to Hacker News? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. You're welcome to make your substantive points without that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by eviks »

acdha wrote: post #65
eviks wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how would the prompt help if the user plugging the off-the-ground USB key would just click yes?

It’s not foolproof but it gives people the opportunity to notice a problem and ask why something which isn’t a keyboard is trying to be one. The long-term fix is securing the USB protocol but when the deployed device count is measured in billions even a stopgap is useful.

> It’s not foolproof

Then don't use a fool picking up USB keys from the ground to argue for this act of a security theater!

> gives people the opportunity to notice a problem

But it doesn't do that because constant nagging dulls the senses. Also, how do you expect the users to learn that he needs to be on the alert for keyboard mimics? Is there an emphasis on this in the warning?

> long-term fix is securing the USB protocol but when the deployed device count is measured in billions even a stopgap is useful.

long-term has already arrived: USB protocol is ancient. Meanwhile the gap is still there post Ventura

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by jen20 »

eviks wrote: post #61
celeritascelery wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In that case the machine would be locked and no new USB connections should be accepted in locked state? Until you get back and unlock the device. Or if you have a usb hub it is possible for someone to plug something in without your knowledge while using the device.

> Until you get back and unlock the device then show the popup at unlock! still doesn't explain the usefulness of the original popup

Isn’t that.. exactly what it being complained about?
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