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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by Sakos »

dereg wrote: post #169
dist1ll wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it pretty irresponsible to commit a felony while you have a daughter and wife to take care of? I find his nonchalant delivery quite jarring. I don't understand what's going through his head here.

I can’t help but shake my head at most of these comments. There was a time when we celebrated anecdotes like this here on Hacker News. I’ve seen this story circulated many times but this is the first time I’ve seen this sort of reaction. These aren’t rose colored glasses, anyone can look up threads of old in which we cheered such defiance toward authority. People are frothing to frame this story with 2023 glasses and…

The people here have largely become insufferable outside of highly technical topics.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by yakubin »

phil21 wrote: post #175
OJFord wrote: post #113

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As little as a birth certificate? You can still cross EU borders with just a driving licence, or government issued ID where they have them. (In practice the vast majority using planes and boats at least probably do take a passport, I always did from the UK, but in theory you don't need one, so if you weren't planning to go elsewhere you wouldn't even need to get a passport.)

> As little as a birth certificate? Lost in translation I think. You could cross the border to Canada with just your state issued ID/drivers license as well back then. What OP is saying is that it was even more lax than that. OP brought a piece of paper that is trivially forged, no photo on it, that basically just said in writing who they were with no additional ID needed.

Where do birth certificates contain photos? That… doesn’t sound very practical. (Imagining an elderly person handing in their photo as a toddler to border control.)

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by bentobean »

filchermcurr wrote: post #102
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #94

Lots of timid, humorless folks having trouble imagining not being a sheep and always coloring inside the lines. I for one wish there were more real people around, living life for liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Like we were intended to live.

And I, for one, am glad that society as a whole doesn't behave this way. Imagine how obnoxious it would be if every other social interaction was somebody messing with you. Wonderful.

Can you imagine being the kid behind the register at Woz’s neighborhood 7-11… Having to put up with him pulling out his pair of scissors and his sheet of $2 bills every time he drops by for a Coke?

“Haha, yes yes, Woz - You’re very funny. Got me again.”

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by squillion »

curiousgal wrote: post #32

> But I had got a big point on him and I was quite satisfied in that. I hate this attitude so much.

Yeah, what a self-absorbed, giant jerk. He missed his daughter's competition but of course he'd do it again anytime for the lulz.

BTW the basic facts might be true but the details reek of bullshit.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by latchkey »

z3c0 wrote: post #433
latchkey wrote: post #394

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> Americans are optimistic people. My optimism died the second time Bush Jr. was elected, but I'm only 49.

I think the political group being spoken of here would've been the crowd reinvigorated by his election.

Mission accomplished

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by O__________O »

doctor_eval wrote: post #469
O__________O wrote: post #314

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Woz per his own statements said he had to them provide his drivers ID and passport. No idea why you’re taking his account of the story as anything more than yet another lie - which is the point, he knew providing a fictional ID was an intentional misrepresentation of the truth, which I turn calls into questions any additional information he provides, which in turn makes it material to the investigation.

That’s not my understanding of materiality at all. If the material information he provided was true then all the other silliness is just silliness. I mean, the agent is going to search on the name, probably find a photo in a license database, and confirm the guy is who he says he is, and that is the only point of asking for ID. They are hardly strong authenticators, and no professional is going to take some random bi…

Creditability of statements made by an investigator, witnesses, suspect, etc — are obviously material to an investigation and intentionally providing fictitious documents might be a crime, basis for throwing out testimony, throwing out evidence, etc.

Nothing for or against Woz, but I for sure would never intentionally provide fictitious information or document to US federal investigator if situation ever presented itself, since ultimately once done it would be up to the investigator to present it for prosecution and judge to decide if it merited conviction.

Woz makes it sound like the agent actually accepted the fake ID, but they clearly did not, since per Woz, they not only made him produce a drivers license, but also his passport.

Why even put yourself in that position over a joke?

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Post by 93po »

kome wrote: post #178
dereg wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t help but shake my head at most of these comments. There was a time when we celebrated anecdotes like this here on Hacker News. I’ve seen this story circulated many times but this is the first time I’ve seen this sort of reaction. These aren’t rose colored glasses, anyone can look up threads of old in which we cheered such defiance toward authority. People are frothing to frame this story with 2023 glasses and…

yes, conformity and fear of authority is strange here. no more hackers, just business ppl.

I feel like the undertone of hacker news has always been hacking in ways that are productive (and therefore possibly applicable to making money). Woz does interesting stuff and this is such an example, but it's not really "productive"

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by qwytw »

enedil wrote: post #458
qwytw wrote: post #444

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I think focusing exclusively on latest data is problematic. Many post soviet countries had huge amounts of crime in the 90s and early 2000s. Crime rates gradually decreased after they joined the EU until they reached their current levels. The degree of ethnic homogeneity did not increase during that time, if anything it slightly decreased (or significantly in some major cities). One possible explanation is that peopl…

This is disingenuous to say that people emigrated in order to do crime. But you could also find statistics on sexual assaults which also suggest that rape is a lot more prevalent in western europe (and probably, that the rates since the 90s didn't change much on the east). I would say, that based on my experience on growing in Poland (I was born in 1998), the people become richer and suddenly everybody now seems to b…

> This is disingenuous to say that people emigrated in order to do crime

Why? Obviously the majority of those who emigrated did not do so with the intention to commit crimes. However some people did. The question is whether they are under/over represented in the emigrant population.

Another aspect is that high emigration generally results in better conditions for those who remain due to higher demand for labor. Which might also decrease crime due to lower unemployment/higher wages.

> Perhaps it doesn't stop crime completely, but perhaps it actually increases trust

According to https://ourworldindata.org/trust Eastern European countries have lower interpersonal trust compared to most Western European countries and especially Scandinavia.

Of course it's also a question of attitude. And people in different cultures might interpret the question differently and/or be predisposed to answer it in a certain way even. Then again being from the region myself I can't really say that people here trust others more than in WE, ussually it's the opposite especially outside of certain social groups.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

voxic11 wrote: post #407
boomboomsubban wrote: post #383

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If you worked someplace handling money and saw a bill with perforated edges, you'd definitely consider it suspicious. That doesn't require someone to be stupid.

If my entire job was enforcing currency counterfeiting laws then I would probably have to be pretty stupid to think that perforated edges is a strong indicator of counterfeiting.

Why? Keep in mind that there are numerous people that have tried to pass off their pronted bills, Xeroxed bills, or bills clipped out of the newspaper.

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Post by qwytw »

manimino wrote: post #205
JuniorBalleg wrote: post #134

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When an entire population is far more homogeneous than most modern Western states, the heightened social trust and cohesion permits this kind of harmless fun (among many other benefits). It's one of those sacrifices made to accommodate diversity which is almost impossible to quantify and existentially unsettling to even try.

People often refer to the Scandinavian countries or Japan as examples of low ethnic diversity and high trust. Are there any quantitative studies on this topic? It would be a stronger argument if a clear trend was observable over many countries.

> Scandinavian countries examples of low ethnic diversity

That's no longer the case and hasn't really been for a decade or two at least. Especially in Sweden.

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