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Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by js8 »

I also had issues with Ubuntu's snap Firefox. And I am also considering leaving (after almost 20 years).

My biggest issue was snaps taking huge amohnt of disk space. My 30GB system partition was running out of space. What I usually do is to move the big stuff to another disk and symlink to it. Moving snap directory this way caused mounting issues, Firefox was unable to download anything.

I switched to normal Firefox from apt (non-snap) and it works. I am considering Debian.

I think Ubuntu (like Mozilla) needs to realize who is their user base - increasingly conservative, occasionally tinkering, users. They need to be more careful with sweeping changes.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by prophesi »

bloopernova wrote: post #37
maxk42 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately Fedora has been making a lot of similar decisions to Ubuntu lately, although it's still better IMO. I'd say coming from Ubuntu, Mint is probably a lower learning curve anyway.

Could you please give some examples of those similar decisions? I'm eager to find any evidence of the Fedora admins as bad actors.

My only complaint is that the switch to Wireplumber caused a lot of audio issues on my machine until I reverted back to PulseAudio.

I could also see people not wanting Wayland by default, though that has been working fine for me and the software I use.

I've only been using Fedora for 2 years, but apart from those two decisions, it's been a lot more stable than my time with Ubuntu.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by yoyohello13 »

maxk42 wrote: post #23
cmdlinecowboy wrote: post #8

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

Unfortunately Fedora has been making a lot of similar decisions to Ubuntu lately, although it's still better IMO. I'd say coming from Ubuntu, Mint is probably a lower learning curve anyway.

What decisions? Fedora is my daily driver and I follow Fedora dev pretty closely, so far they haven’t done anything like Ubuntu. Maybe the custom Flathub repo? But that’s a requirement for them since they can’t host proprietary software for legal reasons.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by kkfx »

NixOS. Declarative config, so easy to reproduce, very easy to create a custom iso, nothing like preseed/kickstart nightmare.

Nix language is as (in)digestible as haskell, Guix System so might be a wiser choice, but unfortunately it's development is too steered toward HPC/academic usages that miss some things to be ready IMO for servers and desktops in a generic computing environment, unfortunately.

In 2023 NO CLASSIC distro or OS is wise IMVHO.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by xmonkee »

captn3m0 wrote: post #48
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #26

I have anecdotal evidence that many people moved from Debian to ArchLinix over the last 5..10 years. ArchLinux is the unassuming kind of distro that gives way to upstream.

One such user. Switched to Arch almost a decade ago (from Ubuntu->Mint->PopOS), and now on Asahi Linux (which is just ArchARM with a small overlay of 15-20 driver/kernel packages).

I have a M1 mac. How frustrating is Asahi compared to macos? I love me some linux but hate the driver fiddling

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by nickjj »

SteveNuts wrote: post #63
nickjj wrote: post #59

I've been running Debian stable on servers for like 8 years now. Up until recently I had a server running Debian Jessie with 1,802 days of uptime. It served a decent amount of traffic. Services on there ran unattended for literally years and it was rock solid. I ended up decommissioning the server because for the same price I could get better hardware specs so I made a new server and put on Debian Bullseye (the lates…

You didn't patch in almost 5 years?

> You didn't patch in almost 5 years?

For that machine I configured https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades to auto-patch packages with auto-reboots disabled.

That specific server wasn't running Docker so there was less to worry about from an attack surface level.

Debian stable releases get 3 years of official support and then an extra 2 years of security maintenance. Running a specific release for 5 years isn't unheard of if the workload you're running is ok with not being updated for that long.

Ideally I aim to create new servers when a new stable release is available or at least before the official 3 year time span is over.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by kleiba »

Lucasoato wrote: post #20
cmdlinecowboy wrote: post #8

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

Is there any specific reason to choose them over Linux Mint? I'm genuinely asking, I've never tried Red Hat or Fedora.

OP wants to get away from Ubuntu, but Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu. Maybe that would be reason for OP to disprefer Mint?

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by temptemptemp111 »

greyw wrote: post #39
cf100clunk wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people view Ubuntu as a bit dirty Look even further at Devuan, made by people who conder Debian as a bit dirty. (I use both as needed, I'm just riffing on your comment)

I consider Devuan just under maintained Debian without systemd (I personally consider that a drawback but for some that is a big selling point).

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