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Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

#11
> without being ruined by corporate interests

I cannot begin to address the issue of "agendae" of various Linux and BSD distro builders, as any number of disagreements have arisen about almost any of them for many reasons (i.e. systemd, dbus, proprietary software, personality differences, etc. etc.)

I'll just add that if you have time, set up several Linux and/or BSD OSes in VMs and take them each for a spin to find what suits you.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

#12
I don't know if either Nix or Guix will be stable and supported for the next twenty years, but they probably won't be ruined by corporate interests. I've personally quite enjoyed learning about functional package management, where a package is seen as a pure function whose arguments are all its dependencies, the source, and the build tools. The output of the function are the binary artifacts.

It's a good idea, and if you like the idea of setting up your computers by programming in Scheme, Guix will be right up your alley.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

#13
Stable? Debian or Fedora.

For an end-user machine, I've found that rolling release is much better than point release (much newer, less buggy/crashy -- paradoxically -- versions of software and GPU drivers). (Although, surprisingly, Fedora seems to have very fast package updates despite being a point release.) For rolling, Manjaro is my top pick. Arch is a close second, assuming you've mastered the arcane art of its installation.

You might be thinking, "But a fringe, rolling release distribution can't be as stable as Ubuntu, the de facto default point release distro that ostensibly claims 99% of Linux marketshare." You would be insane to not be thinking that. But I guess companies' potential for incompetence is even more insane since that's been the opposite of my experience. I've had less installation issues and crashes during daily use of Manjaro than on Ubuntu over the last few years, which really surprised me. It's like Ubuntu is decaying. Or maybe I just got bad RNG. Or maybe it's that program and DE devs are always working on the latest version of their software while older versions are an afterthought, so rolling distributions that keep you up to date with the latest versions seem stabler. :p

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

#14
post #3

Personal machines (workstations or servers) are very different to those you'd use in industry. I'll only comment on personal machines. For home workstations, as an ex Ubuntu user, I like Manjaro (and the whole Arch ecosystem) A LOT . Fedora is pretty nice as a dev workstation also.

Manjaro is maybe not the best if OP is looking specifically for stable + supported for 20 years. Given that it's a community distribution and stays fairly close to the newest versions of everything.

But it's still my favourite. All the power of Arch with none of the hassle.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

#15
My experience with Linux enterprise deployments is not as thorough as using it for desktop & debug environments (every Linux is pretty much same for debug environment if you can handle package update nightmare), I use Arch btw :-)

For production, take a look at SUSE (3 production servers with no hiccups, good support and no particular weird design decisions), CentOS stream after RHEL debacle (have 1 deployment on client request, no complaints or production issues so far), and of course the good old Debian if you want familiar things with Ubuntu

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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post #6

For a desktop, I've had a wonderful experience with Fedora Workstation. They're up-to-date while remaining stable, have a policy of working with upstream, and don't do any real customization to KDE/GNOME. I am mildly peeved at the whole CentOS debacle but wouldn't mind running Fedora on a personal server.

Just use Rocky Linux or Alma Linux it’s basically what Cent was. Unless you’re running anything super insanely mission critical CentOS stream would still be fine for your uses, and if you need something THAT highly available support might be worth while anyways in an enterprise environment.

Yeah if you're using it for a real server then Rocky/Alma/Stream/RHEL. For a personal server I find Fedora fine, since my local packages will match my server's.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

#18

Look no further than Debian. After switching from Ubuntu I started to understand why people view Ubuntu as a bit dirty.

> people view Ubuntu as a bit dirty

Look even further at Devuan, made by people who conder Debian as a bit dirty. (I use both as needed, I'm just riffing on your comment)

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

#20

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

Is there any specific reason to choose them over Linux Mint? I'm genuinely asking, I've never tried Red Hat or Fedora.
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