Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

news.ycombinator.com

91–100 of 196 posts

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#91
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just started using Kagi, and the ability to just bump Wikipedia as first results has been great so far. I really need to try using Kagi more.

USD10 per month is too steep for me.

You do you, but it comes out to pennies per search for me. 1000¢ / 30 days / 5 searches/day = 6.6¢/search, and that would be a slow day.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#92
I never really used stackoverflow. The rare times I do use it, i.e. google leads me to it, a large portion of the posts really annoy the hell out of me. I don't care if someone tries to solve the "wrong" problem, or however stupid "highly valued" users on that platform try to frame it. I don't care about similar questions, redundancy, frameworks, wrong usages of languages and quirks. I don't want to search around finding those other similar posts where the poster apparently has the more correct question (?). I don't want to learn a general method that solves the underlying problem so much more elegantly than the apparently implied "hack" that would be needed to solve the posters question as is. No, I'm very happy with the hack and I want it, because I want to know the answer to my problem, not indulge in your elitism. From that point of view, stackoverflow is very often just beyond useless.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#93

Imo the high ranking people today on SO are annoying as fuck and on a power trip. I haven’t asked question in a long time and I had a unique situation and asked the question. Within seconds some guy adds some snarky unhelpful and honestly toxic reply and I had to repost my question. I ran a quick survey and found others who have had similar experiences and I feel this is terrible for newbies and even people like me w…

Plus, all the highly rated, high SEO answers are ancient at this point. It's hard to find anything relevant to tech from this decade.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#94
post #86

Imo the high ranking people today on SO are annoying as fuck and on a power trip. I haven’t asked question in a long time and I had a unique situation and asked the question. Within seconds some guy adds some snarky unhelpful and honestly toxic reply and I had to repost my question. I ran a quick survey and found others who have had similar experiences and I feel this is terrible for newbies and even people like me w…

One of the reasons ChatGPT is so refreshing is the lack of toxic replies.

One of the reasons it's useless is that if there's no way to do exactly what you're asking, ChatGPT will just invent a way. I've wasted a bunch of time trying to find docs for functions ChatGPT claims exist, only to conclude that it made them up.

ChatGPT is like a smart human inventing a hypothetical API which would solve your problem. A service like StackOverflow has people who are actually familiar with what actually exists in reality. The human will usually know enough to come up with some alternative approach or workaround where ChatGPT hallucinates an answer.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#95
Google Search is not to blame for SO's decline.

Toxic deletionists are part of the problem, yes. But they are the literal dregs at the bottom of the bottle when all the good experts have left or burnt out or converted to deletionists. There's no way to find great questions that would make their talents shine.

And here we come to the next point - the company behind SO stopped investing dev time in improving the core experience. Yeah, they were also overrun by vitriolic politically motivated folks, but this is only a lateral plot line. Rearranging CSS, coming up with brand-new bug-ridden editors, concocting impossible get-rich-quick subsites parasitizing on the main site's popularity against the opinions of old-timers - here are just a few examples of brainless PM activities over the years.

As a consequence, Stack Overflow is dead. As in, still twitching from a combination of ideological / greed-fueled Cordyceps firing up random neurons. But yes, mostly dead.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#96
post #33

every passing year the platform gets more and more hostile to non-americans. I gave up trying to argue and deleted my account. No regrets, modern-day documentation is more than sufficient

What do you do when the software you use does not actually have "modern-day" documentation?

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#97
IMHO, SO is tech-stack centric, which worked perfectly in old days. Questions are grouped by Java, Web, .NET, shell/system admin, etc. We got most of answers to general questions for each tech stack in SO. But nowadays, with the rise of open source projects, the knowledge of each project stays with the GitHub issues. This is naturally shaped by the domain knowledge of each project. I would say SO may not see any rapid growth anymore, Github will.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#98
post #89

I stopped participating because I found that I usually was insulted somehow or my answer was not credited. If they can find any fault in a question or answer they will take the opportunity to do so. If you give a correct answer but don't include a significant amount of explanation, it will be marked down. Often times I see perfectly valid questions and people refuse to answer them but will only respond with a comment…

As someone who has sometimes left a comment instead of an answer, it's because I too am scared that if I try to answer with an actual answer it'll just get downvoted / moderated away, so rather than "risk" a lot of karma in leaving an actual answer, I'll answer in the comments because it's less likely to recieve negative attention.

It's sadly working around the negativity and toxicity of the site and the people who tend to vote / moderate there.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#99
Yes.

The community died many years ago. The company itself died a few years ago selling out. The value of StackOverflow is dying as we speak.

The original value was in the community. Sadly the system of moderation was not self correcting enough to change with time. No amount of democracy can solve the toxicity without new people in those positions of power. When people quote the community as being "toxic", you usually look to a number of rotten apples.

https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/01/22/the-loop-2-understandi...

Like what's famous at DARPA, there are short tenures to positions of power. StackOverflow could've adopted a similar model for their product and moderation teams(including community ones) to bring in regular positive change. The technical talent was already top-tier and created one hell of a marvel of infrastructure excellence.

https://www.darpa.mil/about-us/what-darpa-does

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#100
I needed to go point farming to answer a question, upvote a question or just about anything. I like points as a qualifier, but heck, give me a way to earn my first points. I don't always have answers, but when I had, I couldn't post them. That made it clear to me that this platform has no future. Look at Twitter or Reddit, somehow they manage to push the boring stuff down and the quality content up. I don't see why SO should be that different.
Post reply on HN