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Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

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I have been using less SO over the years, as more and more libraries and even programming languages have their own Discord servers. And there it’s easier and quicker to get a specialised reply, with less judgement or responses like “already answered in thread X”

But Discord is a chat. How it replaces QA website?

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#82

StackOverflow originated during a time when finding accurate and up-to-date documentation on the internet was a challenge. Today, however, there is a wealth of easily accessible, hands-on documentation that often includes links to support resources such as Discord. In my opinion, this has led to two types of questions being asked on StackOverflow: very basic ones that the asker could have easily found in the document…

Discord and slack and other chat platforms are horrible knowledge repositories. They're not indexed by search engines, there's really no archiving ability, searching them for anything sucks, there's no linking and horrible for long form content and lacking useful formatting.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find repo issues generally horrendous to browse/sear h. In particular 'stale issue' bots killing off well written issues with reproduction.

Sorry, tangential rant, but, God I hate stale issue bots. The issue is valid, it's reproduced, it's been discussed, nothing's changed, it hasn't stopped being a valid issue just because it hasn't had activity in 30 days, or 6 months, or a year. Just means the maintainers haven't gotten around to fixing it/implementing it yet, nothing wrong with that - they don't owe anyone a timeline for fixing issues. The only way t…

Oh god. I recently landed on a Docker issue that exactly described my problem. Many reproductions, all questions answered and then maintainers stopped engaging. So the stale issue bot took over. Somebody untagged it, but a while later it redid it. That went on for months, after which somebody closed it manually.

The bot doesn't really change the outcome (if maintainers don't engage, they don't engage), but it a huge bunch of noise.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#84
post #36

I have been using less SO over the years, as more and more libraries and even programming languages have their own Discord servers. And there it’s easier and quicker to get a specialised reply, with less judgement or responses like “already answered in thread X”

I don't like that approach because the contents are not searchable using public search engines.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#85
Imo the high ranking people today on SO are annoying as fuck and on a power trip. I haven’t asked question in a long time and I had a unique situation and asked the question. Within seconds some guy adds some snarky unhelpful and honestly toxic reply and I had to repost my question. I ran a quick survey and found others who have had similar experiences and I feel this is terrible for newbies and even people like me who know what we are doing and posting good questions. I mean I have many millions of people reached according to SO with my answers.

I can’t stand these people.

It would be nice if SO would go back to evolving Q&A and stop letting toxic losers become mods.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#86

Imo the high ranking people today on SO are annoying as fuck and on a power trip. I haven’t asked question in a long time and I had a unique situation and asked the question. Within seconds some guy adds some snarky unhelpful and honestly toxic reply and I had to repost my question. I ran a quick survey and found others who have had similar experiences and I feel this is terrible for newbies and even people like me w…

One of the reasons ChatGPT is so refreshing is the lack of toxic replies.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#87

Yes I've switched to chatgpt for all my programming questions nowadays because of many reasons: 1. It understands the versions more clearly, it won't generate the code for Bootstrap 2 when my question is about Bootstrap 5 2. Asking follow up questions is easy. So the code didn't work. I tell it that and instantly it tells me what I need to do to fix it (leave missing config file, etc) or gives me an alternate. 3. Its…

I genuinely find ChatGPT very useful for a lot of tedious tasks, but it's also very obvious that it's data cutoff point was in 2021. You can get it to write you an abstract generic Odata controller class in C# better than most searching on google, but it'll be with IActionResult and not ActionResult, sometimes it'll even be with Task, which is even older and it'll do this extremely confidently. Which is sort of fine, it'll work after all. It's also not fine, because there is a reason it's moved on to become ActionResult performance and ease of maintenance being some of the reasons.

Though to be fair, it's not like Stack Overflow, or even some of the less updated parts of the official documentation, will do any better than ChatGPT, but with ChatGPT you don't get a date on the knowledge and you don't get the comments from other people telling you that it's wrong or outdated. For me personally, there is also some thing about its confidence that makes me "trust" it more than the internet that I've spent 20+ years not trusting. I'm not sure if that's just me or even why that is exactly. I'm fully aware that the language model is basically just the internet, and still I believe it? I'm happy the first thing I asked it was on a subject I knew a lot about so that I could see straight away that its answer was very outdated. Because if it had been on a subject I didn't know much about, I'm not sure I would have even found out its cutoff point was in 2021. I only learned that fact because the answer it suggested was with a library that I knew was abandoned, to which I asked if it knew that, and it told me when it had stopped "learning".

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#88
I have a fair number of points on SO from asking and answering some common (and esoteric) questions. But I stopped, as a lot of folks don't mark answers as correct, so good answers don't get highlighted. Why give good advice if it's not marked as such?

I got an email a few months ago that one of my answers had been edited. It turns out that someone who—as best as I can tell—hasn't ever actually answered a question had reworded my answer, removed a ton of context, and in effect, made my answer incorrect.

I immediately changed it back. The person who edited my answer was doing this to farm points. With no understanding of the problem or my solution, they were racking up points simply by "cleaning up" answers.

I'm not going to say that this is killing SO. But it does seem like there are some perverse incentives that make it easy for folks to accrue points without actually being competent. And as long as SO points are considered a sign of competence, people will keep doing it.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#89
I stopped participating because I found that I usually was insulted somehow or my answer was not credited.

If they can find any fault in a question or answer they will take the opportunity to do so.

If you give a correct answer but don't include a significant amount of explanation, it will be marked down.

Often times I see perfectly valid questions and people refuse to answer them but will only respond with a comment.

I just wanted to try to help some people. I don't have time to write Wiki articles or deal with assholes who have nothing better to do than to do than try to find fault with a question or answer.

Also, a lot of the time the answer is to use some library or module and you can get attacked for even acknowledging that modules exist.

Re: Ask HN: Is StackOverflow Dying?

#90

A lot of answers are now out of date. Some dangerously so. And its not just 'fast moving' languages. Bash, nginx, docker, gcp, bluetooth. Much of the landscape of these tools has changed since say 2015, but that is where most of the 'core' answers are from. Many have notes that they are out of date in sub-comments. But its hard to be noticed against a 700 upvote selected top answer.

They've introduced "Trending (recent votes count more)" sort option recently, but it's not the default (yet?)

This isn’t a good fix, because it requires people to give enough of a shit (fight against the feeling of decay) to look through the existing answers or write new ones that won’t get many votes because the question is already answered, and I say this as someone who has am answer just like this, python added a feature in the years after the original question was answered and my answer is by far the most ergonomic and simple answer, but I have zero expectations that it will eventually be vindicated… this one question alone serves as my guidepost, SO has been in decline for years, and it’s accelerating, and they have finally noticed and are trying to fix it, but it won’t work…
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