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Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by delusional »

emn13 wrote: post #8
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #5

Is there a good aggregation of cooler performance somewhere? I've recently completed a build for the first time in a decade and was pleasantly surprised by tools like PC Part Picker, the assembly was a breeze (many micro improvements by everyone), and everything 'just worked'. Literally the only question I was out cold for was which cooler is good enough? With some coolers rivaling RAM costs and cases having fixings…

Yeah, the ad-funded model and how that supports reviewers seems to have damaged well structured and comprehensive independent review sites. It's all in videos or really low-effort stuff nowadays, and that makes it hard to draw conclusions without significant effort - and even then, considerable risk of drawing the wrong conclusions. I think this affects far more than just coolers; it's simply that for categories that…

Can you really blame reviewers? Doing a comprehensive thorough review is hard work that has to meet a very aggressive deadline to maximize utility. Meanwhile youtube channels like LTT are printing money on low quality low effort content. Obviously you'd rather do that.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by Havoc »

neilv wrote: post #10

This cooler itself doesn't have a fan, but it looks like the test system has at least 4 large case fans, including 2 directly inline with the cooler. And sounds from the text like the fans were spinning. I love Noctua, but a totally fanless system would be a more interesting test.

The cooler is designed for both actually - Noctua has references to it on their site both with and without

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by Klaster_1 »

chx wrote: post #14

Very interesting. The pioneering cooler in this space was the Scythe Ninja which has been shipping with fans for a while now so I am not sure how well it fares in passive mode. Deepcool has the GAMMAXX S40 and the REDHAT both of which mentions passive cooling but it ships with fans. NoFan IMO is gone, Prolimatech doesn't even have AM4 much less AM5 brackets for the Megahalem... Is the space deserted save for this NH-…

I used to run a first gen Mugen with a E7200 and i5 4570 in passive mode, with a 12cm case fan nearby, similar to what OP did. What a great product, I still regret selling it after 12 years of use, but it would not fit into a SFF case.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

#44

Post by pohuing »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #29
mrlucax wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Gamer Nexus reviews are independent and extremely methodical and honest. It's by far the best PC components reviewer on YouTube right now.

YouTube is almost completely useless for reviews. You can't scroll the video, meaning you have to watch almost all of it to realize they're actually not evaluating the metrics you are interested in. One would think a video would make it harder for a reviewer to just parrot official PR, but alas... The only time I ever find a YouTube review of interest is when e.g you are actually showing some physical characteristic…

Have you actually looked at the GN reviews or are you just assuming this... I agree that text would be nicer to have but man. Also there's chapters now at least, so if you don't care about the analysis you can just jump to the numbers.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by rom-antics »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #29
mrlucax wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Gamer Nexus reviews are independent and extremely methodical and honest. It's by far the best PC components reviewer on YouTube right now.

YouTube is almost completely useless for reviews. You can't scroll the video, meaning you have to watch almost all of it to realize they're actually not evaluating the metrics you are interested in. One would think a video would make it harder for a reviewer to just parrot official PR, but alas... The only time I ever find a YouTube review of interest is when e.g you are actually showing some physical characteristic…

If youtube is not your thing, they also post results on their site. Here's their most recent review:

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3635-fractal-meshify-2...

Look at that set of tests for a case. What more could you want?

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

#46

Post by dogma1138 »

m463 wrote: post #33
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #5

Is there a good aggregation of cooler performance somewhere? I've recently completed a build for the first time in a decade and was pleasantly surprised by tools like PC Part Picker, the assembly was a breeze (many micro improvements by everyone), and everything 'just worked'. Literally the only question I was out cold for was which cooler is good enough? With some coolers rivaling RAM costs and cases having fixings…

I did a lot of research for a theadripper, including AIO liquid cooling and all the reviews said noctua fans were as just as effective and as quiet for a fraction of the price and complexity.

The U14 or D15 cost about as much as a 360/420 AIO.

Whilst they can have similar performance you aren’t saving on costs especially when you buy a 2nd fan for the main cooler which is another $25 or so if it’s Noctua.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by mckirk »

_dan wrote: post #39
neilv wrote: post #6

broken link. https://web.archive.org/web/20230129101252/https://boringtex...

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:z0qv4i... Google's cache, for anyone else having trouble with archive.org.

Well, now that link is dead as well apparently, so I'm starting to believe there is indeed some info here that wasn't supposed to be public (yet).

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by eCa »

delusional wrote: post #41
emn13 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the ad-funded model and how that supports reviewers seems to have damaged well structured and comprehensive independent review sites. It's all in videos or really low-effort stuff nowadays, and that makes it hard to draw conclusions without significant effort - and even then, considerable risk of drawing the wrong conclusions. I think this affects far more than just coolers; it's simply that for categories that…

Can you really blame reviewers? Doing a comprehensive thorough review is hard work that has to meet a very aggressive deadline to maximize utility. Meanwhile youtube channels like LTT are printing money on low quality low effort content. Obviously you'd rather do that.

Some of LTT’s money goes towards the not-yet-launched LTT Labs, which is meant to become a serious test facility.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

#49

Post by onli »

chx wrote: post #14

Very interesting. The pioneering cooler in this space was the Scythe Ninja which has been shipping with fans for a while now so I am not sure how well it fares in passive mode. Deepcool has the GAMMAXX S40 and the REDHAT both of which mentions passive cooling but it ships with fans. NoFan IMO is gone, Prolimatech doesn't even have AM4 much less AM5 brackets for the Megahalem... Is the space deserted save for this NH-…

> Is the space deserted save for this NH-P1??

To my knowledge: Yes. The NH-P1 is the only somewhat recent passive cooler I saw released.

Which is not all that surprising, when Intel cpus regularly use 200W and more and you basically never want a completely passive build. One with only an optionally used fan, sure, but then why not use a cpu cooler where the fan can spin so quietly that is is not noticeable, like with the NH-D15 or many AIOs?

(That said the NH-P1 is definitely on the list for a future build of mine)

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by lhoff »

delusional wrote: post #41
emn13 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the ad-funded model and how that supports reviewers seems to have damaged well structured and comprehensive independent review sites. It's all in videos or really low-effort stuff nowadays, and that makes it hard to draw conclusions without significant effort - and even then, considerable risk of drawing the wrong conclusions. I think this affects far more than just coolers; it's simply that for categories that…

Can you really blame reviewers? Doing a comprehensive thorough review is hard work that has to meet a very aggressive deadline to maximize utility. Meanwhile youtube channels like LTT are printing money on low quality low effort content. Obviously you'd rather do that.

> Meanwhile youtube channels like LTT are printing money on low quality low effort content.

I find this statement rather snarky and it is imho quite close to being against the HN Guidelines. Anyway I also think it is wrong. Sure not all videos from LTT are high-quality well researched and contain thorough testing but when they are really reviewing a product they put a lot of effort into it. They are even in the process of building a decked out lab to facilitate proper testing.

An example of this is their review of the recently released Ryzen 7000 non-X CPUs. They tested 11 different CPUs in 9 different games and 14 productivity benchmarks and further testing with regards to thermals and power consumption. The whole 18 minute video is basically Linus explaining result charts for these various tests. https://youtube.com/watch?v=CTiRNnSg0jA&t=9s&pp=2AEJkAIB

I encourage you to watch this or any of the other hardware review videos and think about reevaluating your opinion. I don’t want to come across as a fanboy but it think your under a quite outdated impression and I think it’s unfair with regards the investment and change LTT is undergoing as of late.

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