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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Isn't it pretty irresponsible to commit a felony while you have a daughter and wife to take care of? I find his nonchalant delivery quite jarring. I don't understand what's going through his head here.

If it has his correct details is it actually a fake ID?

It’s only fake if it’s imitating an ID issued by some other organization.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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People in a romantic relationship usually take care of each other.

Yeah. It would never occur to me to ask such a question. I guess time has changed and people will find problem in each and every sentence.

In context of ”the husband has potentially dangerous quirky hobbies, should he stop them or not”, not ”it’s ok to go ahead and ruin your familys finances” - the latter is not really a realistic scenario here.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Not to mention not looking like a minority was a fairly strong shield back then and even is today.

When an entire population is far more homogeneous than most modern Western states, the heightened social trust and cohesion permits this kind of harmless fun (among many other benefits). It's one of those sacrifices made to accommodate diversity which is almost impossible to quantify and existentially unsettling to even try.

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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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> [The Secret Service agent] asked my for some picture ID. I have some fake photo ID's that a friend made for me years before, when we could make realistic photo ID's from our computers. Almost nobody else could do this because printers weren't good enough. But I had an expensive early generation dye sublimation printer and made some fake ID's for fun. I had one favorite fake ID that I'd used for almost every airplan…

How is that ID fake? It would have to imitate some ID issued by some organization to be fake.

I think “novelty ID” may be more correct. Just like those novelty dollar bills that kind of look like real currency in some ways but still have significant distinctions.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Yeah, no government likes it when you mess with their currency.

Right. It also would seem likely that at least one protector of said currency (the agent in the story) didn't know his domain (currency sheets are legit). Unless he just wanted to harrass Woz, or maybe because they suspected him of other mischief and wanted to see if he misstepped.

You can buy currency sheets.

You cannot buy perforated currency booklets.

It's reasonable to be suspicious about the latter, especially as I suspect Woz didn't start the interview with "I bought the currency sheets then had them turned into this" - and anyways, by that time the agent had a checklist to run through, likely including the passport numbers etc. as mentioned in the article.

Even knowing that the bills are being sold in sheets, you wouldn't want to be the agent who let someone go who was doing everything exactly as Woz did except for getting the currency sheets from the guy printing the North Korean superbills...

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Exactly this. As late as the 2001 I could cross into the US from Canada with as little as my birth certificate, which I often did. That was just a cotton blended paper with tattered edges with some writing, and the crest of my province printed on it. There wasn’t even a photo on it! It was closer to writing, ‘I’m daniel plz let me in’ on a napkin, than it is to my passport of today with its photo, barcode, and RFID c…

As little as a birth certificate? You can still cross EU borders with just a driving licence, or government issued ID where they have them. (In practice the vast majority using planes and boats at least probably do take a passport, I always did from the UK, but in theory you don't need one, so if you weren't planning to go elsewhere you wouldn't even need to get a passport.)

> You can still cross EU borders with just a driving licence, or government issued ID where they have them.

For anybody unfamiliar with Europe, I just want to add that there aren't any checkpoints or border crossings, you just drive through or walk over. Half the time you won't even notice you're doing it. You're just supposed to have your ID on your person when you do.

Ireland (and previously the UK) is the only major exception to this, as it's part of the common travel area alongside the UK. In practice, this doesn't make a huge difference when you're an Irish or EU citizen (it does if you're a tourist who needs a different visa to visit), as it's an island, and airlines require a form of ID to board anyway. When travelling from Ireland to Schengen, I usually have a passport in my carry on luggage as a backup, and take my passport-card (similar to a national ID card) in my wallet.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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In most western marriages, people agree to take care of each other, frequently explicitly as part of their ceremony. Source: attended 100+ weddings as a photographer.

Maybe it’s my nordic background where people value independence (perhaps patholohically so). In general if a husband had any moderately dangerous hobbies it would sound a bit weird where I’m from that they stopped them just because they got married and had kids. And if they had apprehended Woz he would probably had a lawyer to bail him out and smooth things over. So coming from these two directions the argument that…

Right. I just don't know if "giving a fake Id to secret service " counts As a"pre-existing hobby" :-)

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Woz didn't lie according to his account. Technically, he gave a fake ID, but not a fake drivers license. I say this b/c DL's don't show occupation. My understanding is that it had his correct name. So I don't see a lie that most prosecutors would care about given the whole situation. Not to mention that it is not a good look for a secret service agent to not know the details of the actual currency he is tasked to pro…

You don’t need to be mirandized when you’re arrested. That’s a tv show trope. Miranda warnings are more frequently given as part of questioning, which may start on the scene of the arrest but often occurs later.

Additional notable information on the topic:

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/police-questioning-m...

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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> [The Secret Service agent] asked my for some picture ID. I have some fake photo ID's that a friend made for me years before, when we could make realistic photo ID's from our computers. Almost nobody else could do this because printers weren't good enough. But I had an expensive early generation dye sublimation printer and made some fake ID's for fun. I had one favorite fake ID that I'd used for almost every airplan…

> It probably amounted to a real crime. I'm not a lawyer, I have no idea how criminal law in the USA works, but why would this be a crime? He didn't fake a Department of Defence ID, he created an ID for a fictional Department of Defiance, it may look similar, it may appear as a "real" ID because it's not just a piece of paper, but it's about as real an ID as a gym membership card.

But you wouldn't board an international flight with your gym membership card.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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post #121
post #73

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Woz didn't lie according to his account. Technically, he gave a fake ID, but not a fake drivers license. I say this b/c DL's don't show occupation. My understanding is that it had his correct name. So I don't see a lie that most prosecutors would care about given the whole situation. Not to mention that it is not a good look for a secret service agent to not know the details of the actual currency he is tasked to pro…

You don’t need to be mirandized when you’re arrested. That’s a tv show trope. Miranda warnings are more frequently given as part of questioning, which may start on the scene of the arrest but often occurs later.

IANAL You also don't need to Mirandized at all. Miranda is only needed to use any (direct product of) evidence or starments given by suspect during the interaction in court.
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