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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#611
I think I disagree with all of these things.

* Real estate is expensive. Landlords take on a lot of risk. A small example is that my landlord noticed that their water bill is absurdly high. Now they have to give everyone notice that they need to look for the source of leaks in their apartment; while the legally-mandated waiting period is going on, they are just losing money on paying for water. Combined with things like rent stabilization, mandatory lease renewal, etc. they might be losing money on rent, even though you think it's "too damn high" or whatever.

* People being loud outside bothering you inside is under your control. Get an apartment on the back of a building. Use double-glazed windows that isolate noise.

* General worker apathy is a product of being paid very poorly. People that would do an excellent job serving you food have found higher-paying jobs; those employers can pick and choose who they employ because the higher salary attracts a steady applicant pool. Again, I think this is just a product of where you eat. Yeah, they are going to fuck up your 99 cent cheeseburger. Go to a restaurant that's $300 a head, and you will probably get exceptional service. You pick what's important to you; money or service. Fortunately, laws ensure that the food at any establishment won't poison you, so at least you don't have to "pay" for that.

* I really think getting something out today is more valuable than making something perfect tomorrow. I can see how this feels bad; software is your craft and mentally you can spare no expense to make something "the best". I feel this way for personal projects, but not for products where I'm being paid. Before I gild the lily, I have to see if anyone even wants the feature. If they do, then refactor and make it perfect. If they don't, delete the experiment. I'm not that upset about this. (As a team lead, I always encourage my team to plan projects to make the codebase cleaner than it was when they started. If we want feature X that depends on subsystem Y, and subsystem Y is falling apart, I always advertise feature X as depending on subsystem Y refactor. You know subsystem Y is getting used because it's already in there, and you know it's important for feature X. So now is the time to improve it! Clean up tech debt and deliver a new shiny for users in the same project. You feel like you're paying down tech debt. The business feels like it's increasing the value of the product. Win/win.)

* Everything is a subscription because everything is a subscription. Gone are games that you play by yourself alone. Now games are online; new content every month, player vs. player, etc. The servers and software engineering behind that cost money. "Pay $60 now to use something forever" is risky financial engineering; $5/month is the real cost.

* I don't know if police don't give a shit about theft, but it's rather a problem that is more difficult to solve than it looks. If you see someone stealing stuff, what do you do? Have a salaried and pensioned police officer on every corner? Should they use deadly force to save your insurance company $100? I don't see an easy answer here, other than to consider all property the problem of an insurance company.

* Many of the people you mention are in prison for their scams. Scams are as old as the human race. It's just something humans do. Not a new phenomenon.

* There is more we can do for the environment, but the US before the EPA and the US after the EPA are dramatically different places. For centuries, you could pour toxic waste into people's drinking water. A lot of people died of dysentery and cancer. There is always more work to do, but we're moving forward, not backwards. Lead isn't in gasoline anymore. Gasoline cars are on the way out. It only gets better from here.

TL;DR: The world isn't going to shit. And you have a lot of control over how noisy your apartment is.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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I think you're way off base. It's called rosy retrospection, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection . As you already mentioned in your comments, you're judging the past disproportionately more positive that the present. If you really want to know if everything is declining, try measure it everyday for the next five years. For example, every day, rate your personal well being, track how (un)happy you are wit…

I’m always a little stunned when this (and many sibling comments) is almost always the first response to something like this. It’s probably generally true, and an appropriate response to the most dire decline narratives or things easily disproven by stats . . . But like also: really? None of this resonates with you on a personal level? If yes are you that distrustful of your own anecdata? If no: I hypothesize that yo…

> None of this resonates with you on a personal level?

Not really, no.

Don't get me wrong, 5 years ago I was in the UK, I moved to Berlin towards the end of 2018. Visiting the UK again last December… it felt very broken.

But it was the same kind of broken that I saw in Portsmouth when I was a child. And Berlin still feels as good as it did on my first visit.

Landlords being greedy? Sure. That's one of the things Marx and (from what little I've read of him) Adam Smith agreed on.

People are loud? I'm remembering a neighbour in my mid-terrace place in Sheffield in 2009-10, the husband and wife yelled at each other every night loud enough I could hear the words. I'm remembering a biker housemate in Cambridge who openly discussed the motorcycles with illegal loud exhausts. I'm remembering the stories in my childhood about illegal raves being shut down.

Worker apathy, that's hard to gauge. Could therefore believe it if it came with evidence stronger than an anecdote.

Software development looks like it's much the same combination of fads, technical debt, and Peter Principles as it ever was. But that's anecdotes, the proof is in the pudding, and everything is more stable and less crashy than I remember — while I think that Apple's UI peaked a decade ago, that's mainly because I am deeply nostalgic for skeuomorphic UI.

Subscription models: well, if you don't like them, don't get them. We're getting Netflix for one month of the year because that's enough to watch what we want, and there's plenty of others with different stuff we can watch later.

I'm not going to get a Photoshop subscription, but I did buy Pixelmator, and if that hadn't existed I'd have used GIMP.

The police? BLM started in 2013, the word "woke" originated in 1938 in the lyrics to a song about racial injustice in the legal system.

I have become very cynical about the legal system as a whole, but for very different reasons: if you were fully enforce all the traffic laws the only people who would be allowed to drive would be people like me who don't, if you fully enforced the drug laws you'd bankrupt whichever country you were in, and so on. But none of this is new, as evidenced by Sir Patrick Stewart's stories about his father.

For rich grifters, I suggest Robert Maxwell. He's… mostly forgotten. Fraudsters often are, so the question should be: what's the fraud rate in your country?

Everything is poison? I grew up with acid rain (solved), a hole in the ozone layer (getting better), indoor public smoking (banned in the UK, doesn't seem to be here in Berlin), asbestos (banned), and leaded petrol (banned).

Do we still have problems? I assume so! But they don't appear to be worse, rather they appear to be milder.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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post #308

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I'm 21 and I think everything's going to shit as well... is it doomerism or reality? Politicians appear increasingly corrupt and selfish. Geopolitics are becoming less stable. Innovation is coming to a standstill. The average person just wants a decent job, a nice place to live, and maybe a family. All of these are becoming more and more difficult to achieve. Is it any wonder kids are checking out of life en masse?

Try turning off the news, avoiding social media sites (Reddit, Twitter, HN, anywhere people share bad stories), and getting more in person interaction. You don’t need to be invested in the finer details of global politics or stories of violence hundreds of miles a way. Disconnect and recharge. Reconnect with people around you and enjoy the world as it exists, not for some representation of all the terrible things on…

I used to watch the local news in the morning and then get on reddit for more news and you end up feeling like everything is falling apart. Quit watching the news and left reddit entirely. Now I'm focusing on going to in person events and meeting up with friends. Your whole life turns around and all the doom just vanishes. Turns out you don't actually need to know about the latest scandal in the UK. Sure, you should be somewhat in tune with your local politics, but it's hard to get the bits that matter without the useless crap that comes with it.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try turning off the news, avoiding social media sites (Reddit, Twitter, HN, anywhere people share bad stories), and getting more in person interaction. You don’t need to be invested in the finer details of global politics or stories of violence hundreds of miles a way. Disconnect and recharge. Reconnect with people around you and enjoy the world as it exists, not for some representation of all the terrible things on…

>Try turning off the news, avoiding social media sites (Reddit, Twitter, HN, anywhere people share bad stories), 300% this. I heard on several occasions long ago how newspapers aren't worth reading and news programs aren't worth watching. At the time I didn't understand why and thought it was bad advice, young and naive greenhorn that I was: The news is there to inform us! Being informed is a good thing! Now that I'm…

Big +1 , I've been off the news for about 5 years now (minus a stint for a few months around March 2020).

I always recommend people read "Amusing Ourselves to Death" by Niel Postman. Sums up the news cycle perfectly (and frankly the social media cycle too, even though the book is from the 80s).

> and getting more in person interaction.

I think this is key though. From my experience:

If you just switch off the news and put that time into more productive personal pursuits - like I did - you don't actually lose the news/social media mindset. The next time you see someone pull out Instagram during lunch or parrot political babble at dinner they could only have heard on the news, your brain immediately returns to the sensationalist, triggering and combative frame that you've been trying hard to avoid.

You need to create spaces _with other people_ where you're all disengaged from the cycle.

It's getting harder. Particularly if you consider TikTok now part of the cycle.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a problem with reading too much news, you're right. However, switching it off doesn't lessen the impact on daily life. Fuel doesn't become cheaper because I stopped reading the BBC News reports about the Russo-Ukrainian war. I don't pay less tax because I chose not to read about the government increasing VAT.

How much of that resentment towards fuel prices stems from being told to be resentful about fuel prices? When we're able to make our own judgments about the goings on in our life instead of being programmed how to feel by the media, life stops feeling like it's all hell.

This is a big one. In a less dramatic way, it's easier to enjoy video games when you don't read the reddit threads whinging about them. It's easy to feel like a game is unplayable garbage when you read a list of every single complaint people have, while playing and experiencing it yourself, you just don't notice this stuff and get to simply enjoy the content.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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post #403

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That’s the thing, I do care. I care that people should have freedom of self expression. My daughters are 18 and 19. Some day soon I’ll be the parent their boyfriends will come home to meet. I hope they feel they have the freedom to wear what they’re comfortable in and that represents their genuine identity. So yes of course context matters, we are social beings, but expectations of what is acceptable changes. I’ve se…

Some day soon I’ll be the parent their boyfriends will come home to meet. I hope they feel they have the freedom to wear what they’re comfortable in and that represents their genuine identity. Really? My hope is that I don't raise my daughter so poorly she ends up with a slob who wears pyjama in public.

Sure. Nothing I said implies I want them to have slobs for boyfriends, or would be happy if they did. I raised my girls to confidently exercise critical thinking and have decent values, but at this point they’re out in the world making their own decisions. It’s up to them now.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm 21 and I think everything's going to shit as well... is it doomerism or reality? Politicians appear increasingly corrupt and selfish. Geopolitics are becoming less stable. Innovation is coming to a standstill. The average person just wants a decent job, a nice place to live, and maybe a family. All of these are becoming more and more difficult to achieve. Is it any wonder kids are checking out of life en masse?

> Innovation is coming to a standstill Machine learning is getting significantly more powerful by the month, nuclear fusion technology has been advancing at a much faster pace recently (not even counting the NIF's breakthrough), though shrouded in scams and misrepresentation the technology behind cryptocurrency is extremely impressive, the cost and efficiency of green technology just keeps improving, the cost and eff…

Even the stuff that has had ages to mature still seems to be rocketing forward. The M1 Macbook upended the whole market, one day we suddenly had a thin laptop with no fan that outperformed chunky brick laptops and did it with outstanding battery life. The rest of the market is catching up now but I don't think we should ignore how remarkably fast this all changed.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#618

The economy is just increasingly fake or rewarding foolish scummy behaviour instead of honest cooperative work. People coasted for 10+ years now on "passive income" from printed money along with almost no enforcement action against scams. That gave rise to a chain reaction of people trying to scam each other in a general revenge. Take for example a big slice of the economy - real estate. Honest real estate agents who…

I commented elsewhere but I studied Econ in college because it was a particular interest of mine. I hated it. I also wanted to understand it, so that I could know why it rubbed me the wrong way and live intentionally to push against it. There was this moment when I was in a grad course and the professor was talking about self-optimizing markets. That's when it hit me. I literally stood up in the class, interrupted ev…

> How is a system supposed to be beneficial for us all when the mathematics at its core don't actually consider societal benefit?

It isn't, but you could vote someone into power that makes it so. Theoretically, of course. In practice, it seems to me that people like a show of muscle and witty rhetoric more than a show of good math.

Most commonly, it's the poor that vote for the worst possible options which are projected to be the worst for the country (both rich and poor, and often disproportionately the poor). (Where "poor", to keep things in perspective, means someone living off of benefits or minimum wage, i.e. comfortable compared to the richest ten percent in an average African country.)

Not that the rich always vote cleverly, I don't have to look further than my own parents and grandparents to see that much, but e.g. christian parties are still better than voting for xenophobia and racism (e.g. Wilders), both if you follow the math on what immigration nets us and if you simply consider the amount of worldsuck.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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What interests me most about the current zeitgeist is that there is an generalized, or at least spreading, feeling of emptiness. What replaces religion to fill this gap for a new generation who is not religious? (including myself) Something very clear, a philosophy of life of some kind that people can adopt to feel like they are part of something bigger, without that something being a fictional being. And without dev…

I’ve found diamond approach to be very cohesive to a western critical as such an approach: https://www.diamondapproach.org/blog/introduction-diamond-ap... No fictional beings, no cult-like features in my experience. Just deep exploration of what is.

It's an interesting read but to me this is too intense perhaps.

I think it's the whole spirituality aspect that is pushed strongly and there's teachings and books and one on one sessions etc.

It doesn't seem like a cult or anything and I guess if ideas need to be spread, they need to be named but even their logo gives a culty religious vibe.

I understand that it's not, it's just an initial reaction I'm having to seeing it.

Maybe I fear going into too much abstract thinking so my first reflex is to want to avoid it. I feel like I spend too much of life already thinking rather than living.

I guess the time spent thinking could he spent thinking differently and that's what this would be about.

I also think that questions without answers are not compatible with my brain, I always need to know how things work. Anyways I'm ranting without much of a central theme here, thank you for sharing that link.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I commented elsewhere but I studied Econ in college because it was a particular interest of mine. I hated it. I also wanted to understand it, so that I could know why it rubbed me the wrong way and live intentionally to push against it. There was this moment when I was in a grad course and the professor was talking about self-optimizing markets. That's when it hit me. I literally stood up in the class, interrupted ev…

That's the cold, hard truth of capitalism: It converges on the rich-get-richer, economies-of-scale winner-takes-all endgames. Used to be you needed lots of skilled workers to get anything done. You had to pay them. Now with automation and tech and specialization due to global free trade, you only need skilled workers in a handful of professions, the value of doing anything else steadily decreases.

the concept of no-skill workers is a myth
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