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Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Broken window theory of dress. Poorly dressed uncaring people attract more of that behavior and the poor attitude bleeds into other interactions.

But how far do you go? Using that approach, people 100 years ago wearing a suit and tie and a hat would probably want to ban what we wear today, on the grounds of broken glass theory. Yet we are (I presume) law abiding citizens here, etc.

It's still essentially the same rule. Something like "Dress according to society's expectations" where it's the expectations that are changing rather than the rule. It's a meaningful difference because ultimately the signal is something like "I can meet the basic expectations of social interaction and human behavior".

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And kids are listening to strange music and don't respect their elders and dress funny, and all these people demand their rights!

Sorry,smarky,but virtually everything you mentioned seems specific / personal / localized / variable. I'm fairly sure that loud motorcycles and evil landlords existed previously. It's even entirely possible your specific neighbourhood and/or workplace is in fact getting worse. But it's a big world out there!

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> People are noisy as fuck and dont seem to give a shit. Seems like every night there's someone with loud as exhaust on "sportish" car ripping around the neihborhood. For months this guy would start up his loud car at 7am and no one care when I complained. > Police seem to not give a shit anymore. I've noticed what seems to be total lawlessness going on in my world. Folks stealing shit. People driving absurdly danger…

> Antisocial behavior like drag racing, speeding through neighborhoods

Fast and Furious came out in 2001. A pop movie about a topic means it had been going on for a long time. Driving fast and drag racing has been thing forever.

And loud cars...look up whistler tips on YouTube from the early 00s.

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>the water is poison Putting aside the tons of pollution in lakes and oceans, what strikes me the most now is the abject failure and neglect in cities like Jackson, Mississippi and Flint, Michigan. How are people so powerless, governments so weakened, and politicians so detestable that something as basic as clean drinking water in cities is no longer functioning?

It's worth noting that, in a country of 330 million people, you only came up with two examples. Those things are newsworthy because they're outliers .

Or perhaps I picked two top-of-mind examples that other readers would recognize in the name of brevity? Those are not the only examples: https://abcnews.go.com/US/map-ongoing-water-crises-happening...

And that list doesn't even include the tragedy of the commons situation that is California.

But going back to Jackson, Mississippi, it seems that elected officials refuse to properly fulfill their role in governing. Ie. serving the public. What does that say about an empire? It's not some accident that they are helpless in, more that it is in decline.

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Reminds me of this tweet by Derek Thompson (writer at The Atlantic ): In 2022, we: - Reversed organ death in pigs - Made the first embryo from stem cells - Made a pan-influenza vaccine - Saw the beginning of time - Got best-ever results from cancer & obesity therapy trials - Maybe cracked the case of multiple sclerosis From: https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1600864770751860737 ( https://archive.is/pi95L )

Yeah and we developed the most efficient graphene nanotube batteries that never degrade!! Sorry, I'm not buying it anymore. More than likely, none of that is going to help me or anyone I know from struggling just a little more each year.

This makes 0 sense to me.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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> People are noisy as fuck and dont seem to give a shit. Seems like every night there's someone with loud as exhaust on "sportish" car ripping around the neihborhood. For months this guy would start up his loud car at 7am and no one care when I complained. > Police seem to not give a shit anymore. I've noticed what seems to be total lawlessness going on in my world. Folks stealing shit. People driving absurdly danger…

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/local/2022/06/30...

Salem, OR straight up won’t respond to any noise complaints anymore, citing low officer count. Seems like the negative effects from the 2020 BLM riots are starting to show.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#269

The economy is just increasingly fake or rewarding foolish scummy behaviour instead of honest cooperative work. People coasted for 10+ years now on "passive income" from printed money along with almost no enforcement action against scams. That gave rise to a chain reaction of people trying to scam each other in a general revenge. Take for example a big slice of the economy - real estate. Honest real estate agents who…

real estate agents aren't responsible for people overspending. come on

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#270

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Right but that’s a non-answer because norms change over time and place and that can only happen if people are allowed to change them over time and place. All you’re saying is that it’s subjective in a clouded way. At best you’re basically being left behind the cultural norm and probably should catch up.

No, it just means that norms should align with values. I have certain values and think that caring about aesthetics (personal appearance, nice architecture, clean spaces, beautiful art) results in a society that is better for me and other people.

What should one do if they find that the aesthetic norms practiced by the people around them don't align with anyone's values?

Is there room in your clean, well architected, art-endowed society for protest? If not, what keeps the norms in-line with the (presumably drifting) values?

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