Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

Post by isthisthingon99 » Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 8:56 PM UTC

retrac wrote: post #3

isthisthingon99 wrote: post #2

It seems like they have the freedom to choose books so long as the child isn't exposed to sex and racism.

That might be reasonable for young children. But in high school, some of the books we read were Nineteen-Eighty-Four (liberating power of sexuality is a theme), To Kill a Mockingbird (rape trial in the Jim Crow south), Huckleberry Finn (often considered racist in contemporary American society due to its frequent use of the n-word) and the Handmaid's Tale (rape and gender relations and racism). I can't really imagine…

Post by spamuel » Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 9:25 PM UTC

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xrd wrote: post #64

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I'm triggered by what you say here. First, this is the most extreme example on that list. Lots of other literature is on there, do you support banning all of it, and jailing teachers that don't prevent a kid from reading it, because that is the real question. Second, you say apparently, so it sounds like you haven't read it. Perhaps you don't want to, but have you talked to someone who actually has? I've not read it,…

> the intention, which is to teach young adults (late teenagers) healthy sexual habits Religious and conservative groups have been trying to cancel sex ed pretty consistently, so I suppose the opposition to this book is not surprising.

Post by isthisthingon99 » Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 9:44 PM UTC

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throwawaywu wrote: post #61

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When government is buying the books for our children, it's ok to be cautious. What I have seen is that parents are objecting their young children being sexualized with taxpayer money.

Dude I'm literally gay. Do you think your kids need to be "protected" from knowing I exist? Is knowing stories featuring gay people a form of sexualization? This is the thinking that rubberized playgrounds. Your precious children are in the world. Deal with it. -- EDIT: @dang has established that I'm 'posting too fast' every 37 minutes. Dang, we see you. Here's my reply: Because some of those children are like me and…

Post by za3faran » Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 10:07 PM UTC

woodruffw wrote: post #32

tjpnz wrote: post #8

It's almost as if there were a perverse game of political brinkmanship being played among officials to see who can dole out the harsher punishments. What would motivate someone to become a teacher in this climate?

On top of what others have said: one of the goals of these kinds of political pushes is to undermine the autonomy of educators in their own classrooms. The object is to force out experienced teachers in favor of younger (and less qualified, due to relaxed requirements) ones, who in turn are easier to influence and control (in part due to the reasonable fear of being fired.)

Post by woodruffw » Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 11:00 PM UTC

za3faran wrote: post #87

woodruffw wrote: post #32

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On top of what others have said: one of the goals of these kinds of political pushes is to undermine the autonomy of educators in their own classrooms. The object is to force out experienced teachers in favor of younger (and less qualified, due to relaxed requirements) ones, who in turn are easier to influence and control (in part due to the reasonable fear of being fired.)

Honest question, in which way is the autnomy of educators being undermined? The article mentions several topics that are prohibited to discuss for children.