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Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by pfannkuchen »

Waterluvian wrote: post #25
8note wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that it's Republicans, they'd prefer people don't become teachers, and shut down the public system, and then the only teachers would be either as part of churches, or for the ultra wealthy. The motivation is then ridiculous pay or faith. That leaves out how Floridans will fare in the American service and knowledge based economy without education, but that's a problem for a different generation

The uneducated make great voters and even better workers.

Modern education seems pretty geared towards training for: following a strict schedule, having a boss, doing work that appears useless, etc.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by woodruffw »

tjpnz wrote: post #8

It's almost as if there were a perverse game of political brinkmanship being played among officials to see who can dole out the harsher punishments. What would motivate someone to become a teacher in this climate?

On top of what others have said: one of the goals of these kinds of political pushes is to undermine the autonomy of educators in their own classrooms.

The object is to force out experienced teachers in favor of younger (and less qualified, due to relaxed requirements) ones, who in turn are easier to influence and control (in part due to the reasonable fear of being fired.)

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by jmclnx »

I for one would like to thank Florida for helping the Children of my State. Why ? By teaching "my way or the highway" as opposed to different viewpoints, the poor kids in Florida will not learn critical thinking.

FL children will not be able to easily determine the correct action when faced with opposing viewpoints. All they will have is to decide based upon what is in the Bible.

So, Thank You FL for helping the children in my state to have a leg up in climbing the economic ladder.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by Waterluvian »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #31
Waterluvian wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The uneducated make great voters and even better workers.

Modern education seems pretty geared towards training for: following a strict schedule, having a boss, doing work that appears useless, etc.

Can’t speak for all regions. My Canadian public school experience was quite different.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by epicureanideal »

spamuel wrote: post #14
damagednoob wrote: post #7

People are so short sighted when it comes to imposing these types of laws. Sure, they get what they want so long as their side is in power. What happens when the Republicans get voted out? Would they be okay with the Democrats having these tools at their disposal?

[flagged]

Absolutely. I know many people probably agree with this but don’t want to say so, so I will. Thanks for being willing to say it despite the pressure.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by AlexandrB »

spamuel wrote: post #29
vkou wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which states felonize these, exactly? Just because you'd like to turn this into both sides, doesn't mean it is. The extremists running most of the south don't even bother with even a fig leaf of consistency. Not that it's a new phenomena. The founding fathers were throwing shade on this, with Jefferson calling it: "zealous of their own liberties but trampling on those of others".

Showing pornography to children? Presumably all states. Oh, you meant on sexual dimorphism and crime statistics? None. It's not even clear that Florida now criminalizes those discussions. But you would certainly be fired in California if you dared to biologically define human beings, or discuss incarceration rates as a product of criminal tendency.

And criminal tendency is just innate? Or is it also caused by socio-economic and historical factors? Just because you want to stop asking "why" at "criminal tendency", doesn't mean the rest of us aren't curious.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by spamuel »

AlexandrB wrote: post #30
vkou wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which states felonize these, exactly? Just because you'd like to turn this into both sides, doesn't mean it is. The extremists running most of the south don't even bother with even a fig leaf of consistency. Not that it's a new phenomena. The founding fathers were throwing shade on this, with Jefferson calling it: "zealous of their own liberties but trampling on those of others".

I love how ~10 years ago, the left was frequently accused of having a victim mentality. Seems like the right enjoys believing they're perpetual victims these days.

You're casting the desire for public schools to not make available a book with illustrations of two children engaged in anal sex with a dildo as "Republicans playing the victim".

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by spamuel »

epicureanideal wrote: post #35
spamuel wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Absolutely. I know many people probably agree with this but don’t want to say so, so I will. Thanks for being willing to say it despite the pressure.

The vast, vast majority of people agree with this. Academic elites, and the kind of people who can spend vast amounts of time online overrepresenting themselves in discourse, do not.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by epicureanideal »

AlexandrB wrote: post #30
vkou wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which states felonize these, exactly? Just because you'd like to turn this into both sides, doesn't mean it is. The extremists running most of the south don't even bother with even a fig leaf of consistency. Not that it's a new phenomena. The founding fathers were throwing shade on this, with Jefferson calling it: "zealous of their own liberties but trampling on those of others".

I love how ~10 years ago, the left was frequently accused of having a victim mentality. Seems like the right enjoys believing they're perpetual victims these days.

The left still has a victim mentality. DARVO more like. Deny, accuse, reverse victim and offender.
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