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PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

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Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

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Post by dudul »

schrodinger wrote: post #219
dudul wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no words to express how much I hate US culture around on call duty. When I was on call in Europe, in 2 different countries, it was either: * you're on call but you get paid extra hours for each hour on call. This was enforced by law. You're asking an employee to put in more than the legal 40-ish hours? You pay. Let me tell you that companies only used that when they really cared about being up 24/7. * your wor…

I work for a European company and on-call is mandatory (part of your employment contract, and no additional compensation). However, the culture around it is completely different. You're expected to take the next day off if you get paged in the middle of the night (unless it's like a 5 min false alarm), you get to expense all meals while on-call, and your manager freely gives time off in lieu if you have a bad shift.

True, that's another version that I've heard of but havent experienced. Essentially additional time off for being on call.

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Post by lokedhs »

I translated part of the email in this post l: https://functional.cafe/@loke/109748562675456516

> For the last two years we have undertaken proactive initiatives to scale efficiently,

"We've reduced hiring"

> accelerating this program last summer by standardizing our go-to-market motion globally,

"Made our product worse"

> reducing layers,

Either "rewrote some code" or "got rid of middle managers", depending on what a "layer" is.

> improving spans of control,

"Not like we were trusting our employees before, but now we're measuring how much time you spend at lunch"

> reducing discretionary spend

"We haven't gotten to the point of our employees having to bring their own toilet paper, but we're working on it"

> and standing up teams in cost-effective, high-talent locations.

"We moved engineering to farawayland where they can do the same work for pennies, the fact that they have less worker's rights there is only an added bonus"

> The reality of today’s volatile economy requires additional transformation.

"Having a solid business isn't enough, we're leaving money on the table here, guys"

> Despite executing well over the last eight quarters, sustaining high growth and dramatically improving operating margins,

"business is actually going very well"

> there is more to do to secure PagerDuty’s future.

"Didn't you hear me? There is more money to be had"

> To weather today’s economic uncertainty

"Forget what we told you above about business doing well. The future is uncertain."

> and succeed over the long term,

"And with 'long term' we mean 2 quarters. That's 1 more than we usually look ahead."

> we must generate more cash flow

"You're still not listening? We need that money"

> and increase our operating margins in the near term.

"We'll probably raise prices too"

> Doing so enables us to sustainably fund the priorities and commitments

"Executive bonuses will be increased"

> our customers count on us for: resilience and security at scale,

"Haha, no"

> and an easy-to-use, low-cost-to-own, high-ROI Operations Cloud.

"And by high-ROI we refer to our ROI, not the customer's of course"

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

gkoberger wrote: post #227
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tweet was from the 24th and the email is today though?

The Gizmodo article is from today, but the letter itself was posted the 24th. Here's the original source: https://www.pagerduty.com/blog/improving-pagerdutys-operatio... Here's a Tweet quoting it at 11am PST: https://twitter.com/noahchestnut/status/1617960469565931523 And the tweet in the parent was ~4 hours later at 2:52pm PST: https://twitter.com/mattstratton/status/1618018859763798016

Thanks that makes more sense. I thought the matrix glitched again.

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

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Post by SantalBlush »

mardifoufs wrote: post #218
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course we aren't in a recession. It's why the business class has been losing their goddamned minds. They keep attempting to force us into one so that they can slow down the economy and get a Republican in the White House again, but companies are having so much fun gobbling up record profits via record markups that interest rates aren't mattering as much as they should. We have an entire new generation of C-suite e…

What a completely weird conspiracy theory. Are you saying big tech execs are republicans? This is literally just blue maga qanon rhetoric. They said the exact same about "the elite" sabotaging trump back in 2020 by tanking the economy since it was doing too well for him to lose.

The GP is correct. Executives have been warning about a so-called recession since spring 2022, and it's naive to think they're doing it to keep the public informed--that's not really their thing.

They've been trying to induce a slowdown because the unemployment rate is too low, and they don't want to raise salaries. Unionization is gaining traction across the country, and executives need to exert their bargaining power however they can. This has nothing to do with conspiracy, it's a part of the day-to-day business.

Look at the actual data. The economy is doing fine.

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Post by chrismcb »

robofanatic wrote: post #124
Someone1234 wrote: post #96

Here's what a layoff email should include: - Broad specifics on who is getting laid off (numbers, teams/areas, geography). To help everyone understand the scope/nature of it. - Specifics about when people impacted will be notified by (ideally as short as possible, so people aren't e.g. waiting over a weekend to hear on Monday). Also, exactly how they will be notified. - Specifics on severance/support/benefits and or…

> I also like how it is "11 weeks" instead of 3 months, May be that's because in US some people are paid bi-weekly and people's paydays can be different

What does the frequency of your paycheck have to do with your severance pay? Sure, 3 months, works well with twice monthly paychecks. But why 11 weeks if the pay is bi-weekly? Why not 12?

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Post by chrismcb »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #68
jeffwask wrote: post #21

I'm really happy for her. Worst CEO has typically been a male dominated category. It's nice see some diversity in lacking empathy and having over inflated egos.

In my book, the unsurpassed champion is Marissa Mayer. She was a product manager at early Google who dated Sergey and was promoted to VP. One of her accomplishments at Google was choosing the palette for the Google logo using a data-driven process. Based off of this success, she was made the CEO of Yahoo!, which she promptly proceeded to drive into the ground.

What was the data driven process? "Let me see what colors our competitors use?"

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

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Post by unethical_ban »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #13

Pagerduty is another one of these companies which do not need to exist like Uber and WeWork. No wonder they attract the worst kind of CEOs.

They have a pretty good document on their site about OnCall work and incident response. I can say nothing about their product.

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Post by bb88 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #96

Here's what a layoff email should include: - Broad specifics on who is getting laid off (numbers, teams/areas, geography). To help everyone understand the scope/nature of it. - Specifics about when people impacted will be notified by (ideally as short as possible, so people aren't e.g. waiting over a weekend to hear on Monday). Also, exactly how they will be notified. - Specifics on severance/support/benefits and or…

> A bit of voluntary shared pain (e.g. executive bonuses cut, CEO pay cut, etc), even if realistically token.

I rarely see this. Usually if anything executives give themselves a bonus shortly afterward for cutting costs. Many companies offer such incentive packages to managers.

It's weird to think that your job might hinge on whether some manager three or four or five levels away from you wants a new vacation home.

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Post by a10c »

schrodinger wrote: post #219
dudul wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no words to express how much I hate US culture around on call duty. When I was on call in Europe, in 2 different countries, it was either: * you're on call but you get paid extra hours for each hour on call. This was enforced by law. You're asking an employee to put in more than the legal 40-ish hours? You pay. Let me tell you that companies only used that when they really cared about being up 24/7. * your wor…

I work for a European company and on-call is mandatory (part of your employment contract, and no additional compensation). However, the culture around it is completely different. You're expected to take the next day off if you get paged in the middle of the night (unless it's like a 5 min false alarm), you get to expense all meals while on-call, and your manager freely gives time off in lieu if you have a bad shift.

When I was working on-call in a previous role my team was split between Poland and Australia (where I’m based) - we used to have to take 80%~ of the on-call roster because Polish labour laws don’t allow more than 13 hours of work a day and a minimum of 35 hours of continuous rest a week.

Jealous

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