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PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

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Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

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Post by fencepost »

bluepizza wrote: post #151
jasmer wrote: post #100

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I suggest this is sexism here - and I'm generally the last person to call that kind of thing out, usually assuming goodwill. Specifically for implying that someone traded sex for a promotion, unless you have some legit data there. Marissa was a very early person at Google, and contributed to a lot of things [1]. Obviously a Wikipedia entry is going to be hagiographic, and some early players are going to be better tha…

From wiki: > She oversaw the layout of Google's well-known, unadorned search homepage. There was literally nothing to oversee. Even in this unadorned search homepage, she was able to keep an unused button (I'm feeling lucky) for more than a decade.

I guarantee there was a lot of pressure to add crap to that page. "Just a couple of top news links!" "How about icons for people's most visited sites?" "Can we sneak in a 'promo' or two?"

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Post by ihumanable »

tonymet wrote: post #162
belter wrote: post #53

"A CEO, a laborer, and an immigrant are at a table: the table has 20 cookies. The CEO takes 19 cookies and says to the laborer, “look out, that immigrant is trying to take your cookie!”

Without the CEO there wouldn't be any cookies. It's not hypothetical look at countries with plenty of "flour, eggs, baking soda" and no "recipe".

Yep, every time a CEO goes on vacation they just shut the company down until they return. Bezos must be exhausted programming amazon.com and personally delivering every package.

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Post by bluepizza »

fencepost wrote: post #171
bluepizza wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From wiki: > She oversaw the layout of Google's well-known, unadorned search homepage. There was literally nothing to oversee. Even in this unadorned search homepage, she was able to keep an unused button (I'm feeling lucky) for more than a decade.

I guarantee there was a lot of pressure to add crap to that page. "Just a couple of top news links!" "How about icons for people's most visited sites?" "Can we sneak in a 'promo' or two?"

Excellent point. While I believe that whatever was on the front page was Larry and Sergey's ultimate decision, there definitely was some work to convince them to keep it this way.

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Post by Stratoscope »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #68
jeffwask wrote: post #21

I'm really happy for her. Worst CEO has typically been a male dominated category. It's nice see some diversity in lacking empathy and having over inflated egos.

In my book, the unsurpassed champion is Marissa Mayer. She was a product manager at early Google who dated Sergey and was promoted to VP. One of her accomplishments at Google was choosing the palette for the Google logo using a data-driven process. Based off of this success, she was made the CEO of Yahoo!, which she promptly proceeded to drive into the ground.

I had a Marissa review once.

She wanted a color and a font changed.

I was actually grateful that was all she wanted, because it gave me more time to get the features done!

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Post by deathanatos »

a4isms wrote: post #50
toomuchtodo wrote: post #22

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It’s sort of surprising this isn’t a product in various cloud providers; there are open source options of course (which cost engineering time), but this could also be as straightforward as a scheduler using existing IAM (user list) and messaging (voice, email, sms, webhooks) interfaces. You’d of course still be able to use this with non cloud infra based on telemetry or other signals to trigger the initial incident.…

PagerDuty engineer here. PagerDuty is not a messaging platform. You are correct that there are free products that can schedule people and send them messages, and with some elegant baling wire and duct tape, anyone can put together something that looks like a notification service. But ask yourself this: PD has competitors that provide messaging and schedules and cost less than PD. So even if they aren't free, why are…

This post makes me want to check out your competitors. (Unfortunately, I know one of them, and I like y'all better than them.)

Yes … when the sales are wheeled and dealed there's enough Enterprise-grade bullshit shoveled about for me to start a fertilizer business. But that's not a.) what I care about as an engineer who has to use PagerDuty, and b.) time and again, I think we see upstart competitors whose products is actually better than the dominant player finally get enough mindshare among actual users that the tide turns against the incumbent and "everybody uses $X" stops working.

I don't have to "embrace the pattern" to understand how the game is played, and thus be able to successfully navigate the space. But boy oh boy would it be nice if that weren't necessary.

It would be a better advertisement for PagerDuty if you were concerned about improving the product. (Or, at least feigned such, which is what many businesses seem to do.)

And absolutely things are chosen by dart toss. PD has inertia: it's well known, and the product isn't terrible. And I don't know anything better yet — so I'd choose you again, but that "yet" is key to any future competitor. But people believe the marketing, and nobody does the research necessary prior to adoption: the research is, for these things, equal to the work of actually migrating onto the platform: it is only by migrating that you find out where you've made assumptions about how paging works that don't match PD's. Marketing pages are too shallow to discover such things.

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Post by Spooky23 »

Spivak wrote: post #104
dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #88

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Speaking about diversity. We need some diversity among men who collect garbage and plumbers. Why? Because diversity is good. /s

You say that like it's not the goal. Yes, women are more vocal about male dominated careers that they're actively trying to enter but you're missing the forest. For adult women the damage of "has never even thought about a career as a plumber because that's a boy job" has already been done. You could probably name 20 careers that are like this for both men and women off the top of your head. That doesn't mean it's no…

“Women” is 50% of the population, not some hive mind.

People who are pushing for better career paths for women are largely not pushing women (and others) towards careers in trades. I think that’s to the detriment of society in general.

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Post by tuwtuwtuwtuw »

aloknnikhil wrote: post #98
tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #19

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I use it I am pretty happy with its. Of course in theory no company need to exist, but what do you propose people use instead?

Try setting up a multi-people intra-day rotation (like you would for follow the sun models across time zones). It’ll make you cry.

The guy said thar the service doesn't need to exist. I just don't get what that mean. I don't think "it is hard to config follow the sun model" is enough reason to claim that the service serves no purpose.

Their examples of follow the sun model seems pretty straight forward to me.

https://support.pagerduty.com/docs/schedule-examples#:~:text....

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Post by infamouscow »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #112
peter422 wrote: post #93

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Yes when she took the job the stock was at $15 and sold it for $40. Granted much of the appreciation had nothing to do with Yahoo but I'm sure a worse executive would have messed up the Alibaba situation. She took a dying company, tried a couple of home run ideas which flopped and then effectively returned what value was left to the shareholders. There is no reason to think that Yahoo would have performed any better…

No reason to think it would be better under another CEO? She drove Yahoo into the ground with incredibly useless ideas like a new weather app that made them no money. Basically everything she tried completely flopped and she tanked the value of the company. What are you even talking about?

I think the metric you're using for success is different than what Yahoo's shareholders are using.

The CEO of a publicly traded company is responsible for carrying out the goals set by the board, which represent the whims of the owners of the company. Typically that means balancing many factors. If the owners of the company care about features and competing, they will set goals accordingly. If the owners feel like maximizing profit for an expedient exit, they will set goals aligned with that.

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