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Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by notacoward »

DennisP wrote: post #92
khazhoux wrote: post #79

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The problem is that it also seems highly unlikely that a respiratory disease that primarily attacks lungs, results in long-term depression. Whataever physiological connection exists there, is far from obvious. And I haven’t found concrete studies to explain it.

Covid is not just a respiratory disease. It can affect "the heart, kidneys, skin and brain. Inflammation and problems with the immune system can also happen," according to Mayo Clinic: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... They're mainly talking about severe cases, but it doesn't seem that unlikely that it could also have more mild effects to those organs.

Very early on, I came to the conclusion that COVID is a blood disease, and subsequent findings (especially about effects on the epithelium) have generally backed that up. That means it's capable of affecting practically any organ, including the brain and various hormone-producing glands, so the myriad symptoms associated with Long COVID aren't that surprising.

More recently, I've seen some scientific back-and-forth about whether Long COVID is novel or just a form of already-known post-viral syndrome. I sort of feel like it doesn't matter. Even if it is "just" post-viral syndrome, it seems to be particularly severe and widespread. Whichever theory turns out to be correct (including the "just depression" theory), the empirical fact of Long COVID's existence has more to do with my continued caution than any fear of acute COVID. Getting older has been and will continue to be "fun" enough without that.

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Post by mrtesthah »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #149
mrtesthah wrote: post #141

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That sounds terrible. Have you considered cystic fibrosis medication? Or at least something like the Lung Flute? https://www.verywellhealth.com/the-lung-flute-product-review...

That is interesting. I have used something somewhat similar, it's a device that looks similar to an inhaler but has an ~18mm ball bearing in it, which vibrates in a chamber at ~10hz when exhaled through, which feels close to the resonant frequency of the lungs. This did seem to help clear out some buildup, especially at the end of an exhale, straining to blow every last bit of air out of the lungs, probably a squishe…

>It is not as clear if the fluid is coming from the lungs themselves (one doctor said this is possible), from somewhere in the throat, or from the sinuses and running down.

Seen an ENT about chronic tonsilitis yet?

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by notacoward »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #47

Apparently Long Flu also happens to a certain number of people. I wonder if these people with long covid would have been just as susceptible to getting these symptoms with the flu or other diseases? Maybe there are relevant biomarkers for both?

I often point out that what people think of as polio is more accurately Long Polio. The acute phase of polio infection wasn't fun, but the paralysis etc. came much later after apparent recovery. This kind of short and long term duality with viral diseases (see also: shingles) has been known for a long time.

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Post by tootie »

throwntoday wrote: post #43
Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

I don't see how anyone can deny the risks inherent to getting a shot. However insignificantly low you can demonstrate the possibility of side-effects from the vaccine are, the risks associated with actually getting covid were just as low. Given the vaccine isn't even preventing covid now, you're only compounding your risk by getting it. This is undeniable no matter what you think about vaccines, mandates, etc.

"Going back at least as far as the polio vaccine, which was widely released to the public in the 1960s, we’ve never seen a vaccination with long-term side effects, meaning side effects that occur several months or years after injection."

https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/covid-19-vaccine-long-ter...

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Post by francisofascii »

raptor556 wrote: post #142
francisofascii wrote: post #106

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I had had immune system issues since January 2020, where it take forever to feel better. So before the vaccines, which I did get. I am suffering now, as I write this. It comes and goes. I will go months when I am fine but then get sick and take weeks to get better. No mental issues. Not obese, run everyday, etc. If I overdo it with a long run then sometimes it will trigger it. Once its triggered, it takes a week or t…

To be clear, are you saying this is something you think was caused by the vaccine, or something you had before the vaccines? If the latter, what are you suggesting occurred in Jan 2020?

I wanted to rule out the vaccine as the cause, since it started before vaccines were available. And wanted to offer a similarity to the OP. A virus or some illness I got back in January 2020 caused a deregulation in my immune system that I still suffer from today in 2023.

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Post by latchkey »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #150
raptor556 wrote: post #140

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I've done this, labs seems normal, though I don't think we tested for vitamin deficiencies.

Being deficient in vitamin d is especially common in winter months and can cause symptoms like yours. There are probably others worth checking as well. Good luck.

Vitamin D and the omega-3 fatty acids control serotonin synthesis and action, part 2: relevance for ADHD, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and impulsive behavior

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25713056/

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Post by lamontcg »

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

> The fact that there is no diagnostic test that tells you whether you have Long COVID or not leads me to believe that...

...we don't know everything about the human body and immune system and medicine and still have a lot to learn.

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Post by cowgoesmoo »

aeschinder wrote: post #83
nostromo wrote: post #35

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Our Covid response really hurt the case for UBI. It turns out, when people are paid to stay at home and not work, even for a short period of time, we get high inflation and product shortages.

Just so I understand...two stimmy checks are to blame for inflation and product shortages? I know this is a popular talking point, but there needs to be some facts to back this up. Supply chains were wrecked by shipping container shortages due to bottlenecking at ports as well as factory shutdowns. There are proven instances where businesses increased prices just because they could.

At the start of the pandemic, between March 29 and July 25 2020, everyone claiming unemployment benefits got an extra $600/week on top of their normal payment. Later between December 27 2020, and September 4 2021, everyone was paid an extra $300/week for 9 months. For reference, the maximum unemployment benefit previously was $450/week.

This is all on top of the checks, of which there were 3.

Assuming you claimed unemployment the entire time, you would've gotten paid ~$24k + normal UI.

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