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Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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Post by idopmstuff »

cl42 wrote: post #12

It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Personally, seeing non-technical people using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible. Their eyes light up, they are surprised, and they want to keep playing with it. Amazing! A sizeable part of the population just got access to an incredibly complex AI model and can play with it. What a coll…

I don't think he's underestimating the UX/design piece, I think it's just outside of the scope of what he's talking about. It seems pretty clear to me that his statement is talking about the underlying AI technology (which makes sense given his background).

And in any case, I wouldn't call anything about the UX or design here innovative - it's obviously a huge improvement in terms of usability, but a chat UI is a pretty well-established thing.

Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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Post by lofatdairy »

I mean, ChatGPT isn't even innovative for OpenAI's team. In terms of raw language capabilities it's not much more effective as GPT-3, which passed the HN Turing test almost a year before. Some of the credit goes to the fact that Dall-E 2 got everyone looking at OpenAI (and wrt Dall-E I'm personally not aware of any comparable work done anywhere else), a lot of the credit goes to the fact that OpenAI was willing to put it out there, and the work they did to make ChatGPT much safer really doesn't get acknowledged enough (on release, ChatGPT would refuse to produce potentially hateful/harmful text, and eventually a lot of the workarounds got patched as well).

It's probably not fair to characterize the discourse around ChatGPT as treating it as a revolutionary bit of tech, lay people are taking note because 1) people they know are actually using it and 2) the interface really is intuitive - literally anyone knows how to use a chatbot.

Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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Post by sandworm101 »

cl42 wrote: post #12

It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Personally, seeing non-technical people using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible. Their eyes light up, they are surprised, and they want to keep playing with it. Amazing! A sizeable part of the population just got access to an incredibly complex AI model and can play with it. What a coll…

>> using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible.

Years ago it was possible to insert prompts into Google and get results that made sense, results that were meaningfully tied to the information you requested. The young people today who missed that time think it magic.

Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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Post by abm53 »

smoldesu wrote: post #25
cl42 wrote: post #12

It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Personally, seeing non-technical people using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible. Their eyes light up, they are surprised, and they want to keep playing with it. Amazing! A sizeable part of the population just got access to an incredibly complex AI model and can play with it. What a coll…

Clarke's third law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Most people don't understand that ChatGPT has no idea what they're talking about. It lacks it's own thought and heuristic patterns, and only gives you the most-likely response to your prompt. People don't know that though, so they think the Mechanical Turk is actually playing chess. I mostly agree with the headline here. ChatG…

> thought and heuristic patterns

I’m not sure these are well-defined enough terms to make this claim.

Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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Post by canjobear »

smoldesu wrote: post #25
cl42 wrote: post #12

It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Personally, seeing non-technical people using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible. Their eyes light up, they are surprised, and they want to keep playing with it. Amazing! A sizeable part of the population just got access to an incredibly complex AI model and can play with it. What a coll…

Clarke's third law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Most people don't understand that ChatGPT has no idea what they're talking about. It lacks it's own thought and heuristic patterns, and only gives you the most-likely response to your prompt. People don't know that though, so they think the Mechanical Turk is actually playing chess. I mostly agree with the headline here. ChatG…

Responses like this are highly predictable in response to prompts about ChatGPT.

Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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Post by baxtr »

cl42 wrote: post #17
ryanSrich wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Yes. Also the fact that ChatGPT's UX and design leaves much to be desired. They could add/improve the product in so many obvious ways. I wonder if they either 1.) don't care, or 2.) have plans to, but are holding off until they take on a subscription fee.

What would you change to the UX and design to make it even better?

The slow spell out is really annoying. If they want to rate limit fine. But give me the answer faster and then lock queries for a few seconds instead.

Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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Post by Waterluvian »

idopmstuff wrote: post #31
cl42 wrote: post #12

It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Personally, seeing non-technical people using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible. Their eyes light up, they are surprised, and they want to keep playing with it. Amazing! A sizeable part of the population just got access to an incredibly complex AI model and can play with it. What a coll…

I don't think he's underestimating the UX/design piece, I think it's just outside of the scope of what he's talking about. It seems pretty clear to me that his statement is talking about the underlying AI technology (which makes sense given his background). And in any case, I wouldn't call anything about the UX or design here innovative - it's obviously a huge improvement in terms of usability, but a chat UI is a pre…

Then what left is there to explain why this is so much different from the well-established stuff?

Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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Post by cl42 »

soperj wrote: post #22
nightski wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it's childish, and I have no idea why Yann decided this needed to be shouted on Twitter. I've lost a lot of respect for him over this.

I think if you read the headline it seems childish. His main point is that Google/Meta couldn't really release this, since the accuracy is really really poor.

If that's true, then this is a beautiful example of creative destruction.
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