What happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’? Are mere allegations enough to lose your job?
> Are mere allegations enough to lose your job?
Shit you can lose your job over a hell of a lot less.
Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
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Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#82I'll never forgive adult swim for cancelling venture bros.
Go team Venture!
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was already getting worse, at this point it's not really going to be Rick and Morty anymore. Ship of Thaddeus except different ship entirely.
Including the name, apparently.
Honestly I will probably use the term Ship of Thaddeus moving forward. It embodies the concept in a way I find deeply funny. I don't know if the author intended to write it that way or not (the uncertainty of which only serving to make it funnier) but I thank them for their contribution to my pool of available humor
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#84The key to the success of Rick and Morty is that it's a very subversive show, sometimes to the point of being disturbing. Its embrace of comedic nihilism undermines classic sitcom tropes in much the way The Simpsons did when it was new. I always got the impression that this stemmed in no small part from Justin Roiland. It's not exactly a surprise that someone with so little regard for social convention turned out to…
I would say it's more a deconstruction of fiction, generally, rather than subversion of sitcoms. Most plots are decidedly non-sitcommy. I would also say Dan Harmon's previous work on Community is so filled to the brim with meta-analyses, parodies, homages, and self reflection that it's probably more him than Justin on the writing side. I'd ALSO say that I don't think Rick and Morty suggests Rick's behaviors or belief…
yeah i kind of thought the entire point was that dan harmon has a very particular view on what fiction is and how it works. He then deconstructs this in every episode. In season 3 he starts deconstructing what television is. In season 4 he starts deconstructing his own theory of story telling. In season 5 he deconstructs the universe he created. the cleverness of the show comes from it's constant deconstruction of storytelling and each iteration doing it in a different way is what makes it work. And i would say the difference between this show and Community is that nobody seems to tone down this deconstruction in any way.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Super depressed and toxic and always right . He's shown as being that way because he understands the world better. The show might not praise him directly, but until the most recent seasons (where they appear to be trying to undo some damage) it consistently showed that he is a more effective person because of it. Another example of the subversion that reinforces this "truth = negativity" moral: (Spoilers) The episode…
I disagree. The message is clear that reality is messy. But not that love is an illusion. Those two messages aren't hand in hand. In the time stop episode he explicitly sacrifices himself for love and reflects on that. Most Ricks don't seem to love their grandkids but the main Rick does. This has been a plot point since season 1. I think Rick was frequently wrong even in early material. He was wrong about the planet…
>The message is clear that reality is messy. But not that love is an illusion
Rick explicitly states that it is, on several occasions. First, during the love potion episode:
"Listen Morty, I hate to break it to you, but what people calls “love” is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed. It hits hard, Morty, then it slowly fades, leaving you stranded in a failing marriage. I did it. Your parents are gonna do it. Break the cycle, Morty. Rise above. Focus on science."
And again at the end of Season 2, during a wedding "toast", he expands on both love being an illusion AND on being smart making him an asshole:
"Listen, I’m not the nicest guy in the Universe because I’m the smartest. And being nice is something stupid people do to hedge their bets. Now, I haven’t been exactly subtle about how little I trust marriage. I couldn’t make it work, and I could turn a black hole into a sun, so at a certain point, you’ve got to ask yourself what are the odds this is legit and not just some big lie we’re all telling ourselves because we’re afraid to die alone? Because, you know, that’s exactly how we all die … alone." (And before you say "ah but the show isn't endorsing Rick", this message is immediately reinforced by the bride coldly murdering the groom.)
The messaging couldn't really have been clearer.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree. The message is clear that reality is messy. But not that love is an illusion. Those two messages aren't hand in hand. In the time stop episode he explicitly sacrifices himself for love and reflects on that. Most Ricks don't seem to love their grandkids but the main Rick does. This has been a plot point since season 1. I think Rick was frequently wrong even in early material. He was wrong about the planet…
>The message is clear that reality is messy. But not that love is an illusion Rick explicitly states that it is, on several occasions. First, during the love potion episode: "Listen Morty, I hate to break it to you, but what people calls “love” is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed. It hits hard, Morty, then it slowly fades, leaving you stranded in a failing marriage. I did it. Your parents are go…
I disagree again! Rick is lying to himself. The first quote is a self destructive drunken rant. The second one is followed by him saying the exact opposite. He loves bird person. He's willing to love tammy.
Even ignoring the canon of future seasons which cements this point further, it had been demonstrated that Rick believes in love, and even clearly juxtaposes himself from the other Ricks who consider their grandsons to be "just" a Morty.
Love can be an illusion of course. And it frequently is. But rick most definitely does not categorically believe all love is illusory.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure if this is meant to be sarcastic (I'm not familiar with Million Dollar Extreme ), but in any case I want to draw attention to a particular piece of subversion that encapsulates everything good and bad about Rick and Morty. (Spoilers) In the very first season, there's an episode where Rick reluctantly helps Morty attract his crush with a "love potion". Now this is obviously messed up, but it's a classic t…
Sounds repulsive, really. And this is supposed to be a comedy? I guess I don't get it for the same reason I don't get the love for "Breaking Bad." I'm a cynic but not a nihilist.
I mean, comedy is heavily reliant on the element of surprise. Being set up to expect a particular story progression and then having that expectation flipped on its head is funny, when executed with an appropriate sense of timing. The more subconscious your expectations, the funnier it is when they are subverted. The challenge, which Rick and Morty rises to unusually well, is continuing to surprise the audience in unusual ways. Any formula will get boring after a while, including "do the opposite of normal tropes".
Speaking of surprise, your wording implies you haven't seen the show, in which case you shouldn't be reading this thread.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#88It's really because he sent so many chains of creepy, solicitous messages to 15-16 year old fans who flirted with him.
We know of zero cases where he actually tried to meet those fans, let alone touch them.
Even in the undesirable case he did, 16 is the age of consent in most of the US, which I'm just saying so everyone calibrate their vitriol accordingly. Some things are inappropriate, but not illegal, and therefore don't deserve automatic banishment from society.
But here, the feeling I get is that he has alcohol problems, drinks, and tweets really dumb, cringe shit to strangers, thinking he's just hilarious (which he's not). That's his Twitter problem.
As for the criminal case against him, the court should decide, not us.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#89Roland was arrested for this in 2020, which should have been obvious to his employers by at least the period of absence from being imprisoned, not including all the other random times off he would have had to take for court dates. Why did they continue working with him for two years after, and why did it also take two years for this to end up in the news?
You just get arrested, you lose your businesses, projects and job. Is this the world you live in? Because that's a very harrowing world.