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Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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>Lol publicly firing someone in what is obviously tied to criminal accusations is the same as not watching a show? You can use the same reason to not take part in two things that might be wholly separate.

Let's say there is a freckled girl in front of me. I could do all the following 1) See freckles 2) Find it attractive 3) Fire them 4) Convince others freckles are evil and all freckled people need executed 5) Not watch their show because I don't like freckles Yeah the reasoning the same; I did it because the freckles. Therefore basically I did the same thing. Brilliant jjulius. And this is all ignoring I'm not even m…

Woosh.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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The accuser is unknown and the accused is a smart guy with counsel. Which means from the employer viewpoint they know some person accused him and they get a generic response from the lawyer about not being able to comment about an ongoing case. The chance the employer has credible knowledge of guilt is extremely slim.

My "We don't know if, or of not, they are aware of anything else," comment clearly suggests that the reasons for terminating him may not be limited to this court case specifically. It's been covered in many articles that this sort of behavior from him has been an open secret for a bit. I don't claim to know whether or not that's true, I'm simply saying that none of us know exactly why AS did this, whether or not it w…

Why are we allowed to assume they didn't make the decision lightly but not able to assume just maybe it is extremely unlikely they have credible evidence of guilt.

You play the "oh I don't know anything game" while simultaneously saying we should assume your viewpoint. Clearly you do think you know something and the know-nothing defense is some kind of Schrodinger's cat scenario where you know something when it's time to make assumptions and don't know when someone else does.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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I would say it's more a deconstruction of fiction, generally, rather than subversion of sitcoms. Most plots are decidedly non-sitcommy. I would also say Dan Harmon's previous work on Community is so filled to the brim with meta-analyses, parodies, homages, and self reflection that it's probably more him than Justin on the writing side. I'd ALSO say that I don't think Rick and Morty suggests Rick's behaviors or belief…

Super depressed and toxic and always right . He's shown as being that way because he understands the world better. The show might not praise him directly, but until the most recent seasons (where they appear to be trying to undo some damage) it consistently showed that he is a more effective person because of it. Another example of the subversion that reinforces this "truth = negativity" moral: (Spoilers) The episode…

I disagree. The message is clear that reality is messy. But not that love is an illusion. Those two messages aren't hand in hand. In the time stop episode he explicitly sacrifices himself for love and reflects on that. Most Ricks don't seem to love their grandkids but the main Rick does. This has been a plot point since season 1.

I think Rick was frequently wrong even in early material. He was wrong about the planet being ruled by advanced males that lost the need for females. He was wrong about his relationship with Unity and nearly kills himself for it. He was wrong when he destroyed his own universe. Rick lives in a meaningless world because he's vastly surpassed its limitations. But he's not better for it.

Most plot arcs take an existing concept, writing tactic, plot, or trope, and deconstruct its assumptions to then reconstruct the juicy bits. Like the Purge episode. Rick is too powerful to be bothered by the purge. Gets bored. But ends on gleeful gratuitous violence because its kind of fun. Which gets back to what I would say is the central message of the show. Even if the world is dumb/messy/nihilistic/bad; it can still be awesome. Things can be good without a need for them to be intrinsically good.

I think this is one of the more pressing artistic idea of our times. Same for Everything Everywhere All At Once.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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My "We don't know if, or of not, they are aware of anything else," comment clearly suggests that the reasons for terminating him may not be limited to this court case specifically. It's been covered in many articles that this sort of behavior from him has been an open secret for a bit. I don't claim to know whether or not that's true, I'm simply saying that none of us know exactly why AS did this, whether or not it w…

Why are we allowed to assume they didn't make the decision lightly but not able to assume just maybe it is extremely unlikely they have credible evidence of guilt. You play the "oh I don't know anything game" while simultaneously saying we should assume your viewpoint. Clearly you do think you know something and the know-nothing defense is some kind of Schrodinger's cat scenario where you know something when it's tim…

You do you.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Roland was arrested for this in 2020, which should have been obvious to his employers by at least the period of absence from being imprisoned, not including all the other random times off he would have had to take for court dates. Why did they continue working with him for two years after, and why did it also take two years for this to end up in the news?

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Roland was arrested for this in 2020, which should have been obvious to his employers by at least the period of absence from being imprisoned, not including all the other random times off he would have had to take for court dates. Why did they continue working with him for two years after, and why did it also take two years for this to end up in the news?

Frankly they (probably) had no way of knowing if he didn't want them to. He is (was?) a high level creative. If he goes, "hey guys I can't record Thursday I have something personal I need to take care of," that's probably it. Hell the show's release schedule was absurd until season 5 or so, clearly no one really held them to the fire because they were a huge cash cow.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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> What on earth "best knowledge" could an employer know about domestic disputes? They can know the impact on their brand and the terms of their contract’s morality clause.

Yes it ensures I will never watch the show again because I find their presumptuous morals repulsive. The aggregate effect I suppose will definitely have an effect on the brand. IMO they trashed their brand by sacking people before they were found guilty. God bless the right to bankrupt yourself to mete out preliminary justice, though.

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Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Ok, this is a very good take even though I disagree. The main issue is you can't have someone whose supposedly a sex offender, working with others and just ignore that he's a sex offender. Also, Rick and Morty is ultimately a piece of entertainment, and it's hard to be entertained if the guy writing jokes is allegedly gross and aggressive. And the allegations are still just allegations, but from what I'm hearing they…

sex offender?! Did I miss something? It says he's accused of domestic abuse, not sexual attacks. I've also saw messages suggesting he's very tactless and creepy, but I've seen nothing suggesting he's a threat to anyone around him.

> accused of domestic abuse

> but I've seen nothing suggesting he's a threat to anyone around him.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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post #53

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My "We don't know if, or of not, they are aware of anything else," comment clearly suggests that the reasons for terminating him may not be limited to this court case specifically. It's been covered in many articles that this sort of behavior from him has been an open secret for a bit. I don't claim to know whether or not that's true, I'm simply saying that none of us know exactly why AS did this, whether or not it w…

Why are we allowed to assume they didn't make the decision lightly but not able to assume just maybe it is extremely unlikely they have credible evidence of guilt. You play the "oh I don't know anything game" while simultaneously saying we should assume your viewpoint. Clearly you do think you know something and the know-nothing defense is some kind of Schrodinger's cat scenario where you know something when it's tim…

>Why are we allowed to assume they didn't make the decision lightly

Because they're potentially shooting their cash cow and probably the most popular show they've ever had in the head. If you don't believe in their values than at least believe that they are 100% considering the financial implications of doing this.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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I am just an opportunistic user. He commented without being informed so maybe he will take a bet without being informed either.

I'm surprised there isn't a speculative crypto market on stuff like this with an oracle to courtlistener or something.

There was a site I saw submitted to HN some years ago that did something like this I believe. Unfortunately can’t remember much of it though.
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