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The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by swyx »

tomxor wrote: post #102

> That’s right: if you host your show with Apple, the only listeners you can have are folks with the Apple Podcasts app. This feels like an absolutely wild choice from a product perspective; it’s the mindset of a company who still thinks that they have dominance over the podcasting world. It’s ludicrous to assume that it’s a good thing for listeners to have to have specific hardware in order to listen to a podcast. I…

both Apple and Spotify are dead set on ruining podcasting. look at their podcast sites. they dont believe in RSS, they don't believe in MP3. screw them for ignoring the roots of this movement and trying to build walled gardens around other people's content.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by swyx »

l33tbro wrote: post #45
paulette449 wrote: post #14

I listen to hours of podcasts each day (dog-walking, walking, running etc) and am fully immersed in the Apple ecosystem, but the Apple Podcast app is a turkey. Shallow feature set, bugs that never get fixed and an environment that doesn't evolve. It's software that can only be developed by a company that hates its user base. Ugh. I've been using and loving iCatcher for years [1]. [1] - https://joeisanerd.com

Overcast really destroys everything else I've used for listening to a podcast. Simple and intuitive UI, customizable streaming/download settings, quickly add any podcast - and that's at the free level. I would never go back to Apple or even Spotify. I rarely get enthusiastic about apps, but it's awesome when one clearly demonstrates a team having gone 'how can we get this right'?

i really just wish overcast had:

- listen history (with stats, so i can know what i spent the most time on and tell them/reward them accordingly)

- good history search (that doesnt keep searching podcasts im not subscribed to)

- good to-listen search (that doesnt keep searching podcasts im not subscribed to)

- would be nice: on device transcription

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by slenk »

paulcole wrote: post #229
slenk wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just call them sheeple

Are you the person who made up that insult? Or do you just go along with all the other people who use it?

When did I say I wasn't a sheeple?

I just think the adult iPhone users that care about the color of a text message are pretty brainless. Care about something important.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by philliphaydon »

maven29 wrote: post #227
philliphaydon wrote: post #219

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> but people need to understand the future they are buying into with Apple When Google or MS or someone else builds a better experience then we can move. Google shuts things down like there’s no tomorrow. MS can’t release a product beyond 3 countries. No one makes headphones like Apple. You can argue till you’re blue in the face that all the sound quality of every other brand is better. But I’m so tired of having to…

I realize that it was just an example but newer bluetooth TWS chipsets can do multi-point pairing just fine. Also, Google's Fast Pair API is currently being expanded beyond just pairing headphones. They aim for more than just surface-level UX. I doubt apps can stay on the playstore after asking for card details in a form. Google wants their cut too

> newer bluetooth TWS chipsets can do multi-point pairing just fine.

This is great news!

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by simonh »

b0tch7 wrote: post #217
MBCook wrote: post #170

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Apple has controlled the podcast industry through the iTunes podcast directory since day one. They’ve been benevolent and haven’t cracked down on things. They let basically any podcast in for free. They let 3rd party clients use their directory for free. They ARE the podcast industry. And they’ve been open. I see this purely as a reaction to Spotify and Google and others trying to grab and control the industry with p…

> Apple has controlled the podcast industry through the iTunes podcast directory since day one. > They ARE the podcast industry. And they’ve been open. Hmmm is this really true? I've been listening to podcasts since 2012ish which puts me fairly early in the adoption curve and I've never used iTunes once (always been PocketCasts on Android). Anyway, just another f'ing reason to NOT go all-in on Apple. Apple Podcasts k…

>> They ARE the podcast industry. And they’ve been open. >Hmmm is this really true?

They’ve accounted for the vast majority of podcast listeners since the early iPod days. It’s literally why they are called podcasts. They only dipped below 50% of listeners relatively recently.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by ascagnel_ »

brunoTbear wrote: post #89
julienb_sea wrote: post #83

It seems bizarre to me that any serious podcast would fail to retain: - Their own backups of their master audio - Separate uploads to competing services with significant market share (e.g. Spotify) It's not really surprising that Apple DRM-locks the audio files pulled from their podcast service. They should have messaged that better, but Apple has DRM locked everything coming from their music services for a very long…

I think the author's point would be that Apple is doing this to non-serious or not-serious-yet podcasters. Let he who is without a data loss event cast the first "their own backups" stone. Given that nobody else DRMs podcast audio, this is deeply surprising.

Without having used their service, does Spotfiy not DRM their podcast audio? It seems weird that they'd have a separate code path to fetch a non-DRM'd file from their server when most (all?) of the music they serve is already DRM'd.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by ascagnel_ »

fernly wrote: post #185

> even choosing to download the audio in Apple Podcasts makes it available for offline listening, but doesn’t produce an MP3 or M4A file that you can move around or archive—it retains its DRM. Can this be solved by use of, e.g. Audio Hijack? ( https://rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/ )

I have a Wiim Mini, which is an Airplay receiver (which supports high-bitrate playback) with analog outs (so you can connect it to older stereo equipment). If an all-software solution won't work, you can still rely on the analog hole.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

MBCook wrote: post #173
howinteresting wrote: post #171

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This is the same set of excuses trotted out for why you can't use Firefox's Gecko engine with uBlock Origin on iOS.

Not exactly. Apple has been basically been providing a public service with their free podcast directory since 2012. There is nothing comparable in the case of the Safari on iOS situation.

>Apple has been basically been providing a public service with their free podcast directory since 2012.

that benefited them?

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by willi59549879 »

Each apple product is designed this way. It is designed to lock people in and make people conform to the apple certified way. That's what made me leave the eco system. I'll never buy anything from Apple again. I thought everybody knew by now what apple does.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by mrkstu »

bastawhiz wrote: post #118
filoleg wrote: post #115

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Are all podcasts protected this way or just some specific ones? Because I picked a random one from the front page of the podcast section in iTunes on Win10, and it worked for me with zero issues[0]. If you can find a podcast on Apple Podcasts for which the method I described in my other comment doesn't work, please post it here. Because it would feel kinda strange if Podcasts app applied DRM like this only to some sp…

No: this isn't just any random podcast from the iTunes homepage. It only applies to podcasts which are hosted by Apple, not ones which Apple lists in its directory. This is a very small percentage of shows. Here is an example. Curious if you can get it to work on Windows, because I physically cannot save the audio to a normal file on Mac. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/test-podcast/id1667708...

Do you have an example that would be findable via iTunes on PC? This one doesn't seem reachable/searchable there.
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