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Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by roarcher »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #80
roarcher wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Ohio is ranked #4 in per-capita drug overdoses ( https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/drug_poisoning_mor... ) and #10 for unemployment rate ( https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm ). Seems like development and new jobs would be helpful for the area, no?

> Seems like development and new jobs would be helpful for the area, no?

Maybe, maybe not. Those tell me about Ohio in general, not the area the parent commenter is talking about. Either way, I'd be inclined to ask the people who live there what they want, not prescribe "development and jobs" from my ivory tower while insulting them.

My point is that you're making a pretty absurd false dichotomy. It's either "unemployment and opiate addicts", or having your quiet rural home paved over? Those are the only two choices?

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by jgwil2 »

rotten wrote: post #34

I live next to where this is going in (walking distance). We already have a huge Google Data Center, One of the Ohio-east region availability zones. A Meta data center and office park, and a dbt data center under construction all within a short radius. We also have a vitamin factory being built, we have a large Amazon Fulfillment center, an R&D lab for a perfume company, and an R&D lab for plastics packaging. All of…

It would be nice if they could do some of this development in a sustainable way, like encouraging walkable, mixed-use neighborhoods with reasonable density, but unfortunately based on the language in your comment (highways, big box stores) it sounds like yet another car-dependent, sprawling suburb.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by atdrummond »

dang wrote: post #68
atdrummond wrote: post #55

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Maybe so, but please don't take HN threads on generic flamewar tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34525298 .

Yeah, not my intent at all.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by cycrutchfield »

roarcher wrote: post #81
cycrutchfield wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ohio is ranked #4 in per-capita drug overdoses ( https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/drug_poisoning_mor... ) and #10 for unemployment rate ( https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm ). Seems like development and new jobs would be helpful for the area, no?

> Seems like development and new jobs would be helpful for the area, no? Maybe, maybe not. Those tell me about Ohio in general, not the area the parent commenter is talking about. Either way, I'd be inclined to ask the people who live there what they want, not prescribe "development and jobs" from my ivory tower while insulting them. My point is that you're making a pretty absurd false dichotomy. It's either "unemplo…

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Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by chromatin »

jgwil2 wrote: post #82
rotten wrote: post #34

I live next to where this is going in (walking distance). We already have a huge Google Data Center, One of the Ohio-east region availability zones. A Meta data center and office park, and a dbt data center under construction all within a short radius. We also have a vitamin factory being built, we have a large Amazon Fulfillment center, an R&D lab for a perfume company, and an R&D lab for plastics packaging. All of…

It would be nice if they could do some of this development in a sustainable way, like encouraging walkable, mixed-use neighborhoods with reasonable density, but unfortunately based on the language in your comment (highways, big box stores) it sounds like yet another car-dependent, sprawling suburb.

Well, many of the existing small towns around (and being engulfed by) Columbus Ohio predate Columbus; some date to early 1800s like Worthington (1803), and are quite walkable.

It's the new development described in the OP that's building car-dependent sprawling exurbs.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by roarcher »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #84
roarcher wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems like development and new jobs would be helpful for the area, no? Maybe, maybe not. Those tell me about Ohio in general, not the area the parent commenter is talking about. Either way, I'd be inclined to ask the people who live there what they want, not prescribe "development and jobs" from my ivory tower while insulting them. My point is that you're making a pretty absurd false dichotomy. It's either "unemplo…

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> Just because some NIMBY online says that’s not what they want doesn’t mean that they are right.

Right, it's only their home. Who are they to decide? They should do as their betters tell them.

Edit: By the way, the original commenter clarified that he's talking about New Albany. Not a struggling area by any means.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by dang »

atdrummond wrote: post #83
dang wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe so, but please don't take HN threads on generic flamewar tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34525298 .

Yeah, not my intent at all.

I believe you! But intent doesn't express yourself, and often gets more obscure the shorter/more generic a comment is.

When it comes to moderation, we have to go by effects, not intent. Specifically, we have to by "effects in the general statistical case", if that makes sense.

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Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by myko »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #50
rotten wrote: post #34

I live next to where this is going in (walking distance). We already have a huge Google Data Center, One of the Ohio-east region availability zones. A Meta data center and office park, and a dbt data center under construction all within a short radius. We also have a vitamin factory being built, we have a large Amazon Fulfillment center, an R&D lab for a perfume company, and an R&D lab for plastics packaging. All of…

Digression: Why do people out there make such a big deal about " The Ohio State University"? Is it just pretentiousness? Is it that "there's only one state university in Ohio, and we're it"? (Which seems like an odd point of pride.) Or what?

It's the official name of the university, whereas most would just be "X State University", OSU happens to have "The" in its official name, that's all:

https://library.osu.edu/archives/faq#1

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However, the "The" was actually part of the state legislation when the university was renamed in 1878. The following excerpt is from the Board of Trustee minutes:

"...the educational institution heretofore known as the 'Ohio Agricultural and Mechanical College,' shall be known and designated hereafter as 'The Ohio State University.'"

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Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by mikeyouse »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #79
lofatdairy wrote: post #62

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I don't think GP is advocating to keep the land undeveloped. They even go so far as the point out how the area makes a lot of sense for developers. The problems they identify seem to be 1) the reckless abandon to which developers are damaging ecosystems 2) an economic situation that allows developers to benefit significantly without these benefits necessarily passing into the community 3) the significant challenges o…

> an economic situation that allows developers to benefit significantly without these benefits necessarily passing into the community Does the development of that land not result in increased property taxes to fund local services?

Almost all of these deals come with asinine property tax abatements gifted by the local jurisdictions to the wealthiest companies on earth.

Sure enough - Intel's package there is worth a few hundred million: https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/09/23/ohio-pois....

It's a game all of these firms play - have locales compete against each other (In some cases literally like the HQ2 debacle from Amazon) to see who can provide the largest package of tax incentives and subsidies and then hope nobody follows up on the absolute fantasy financial / Economic impact projections that were made.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by myko »

tester756 wrote: post #5

Is Ohio becoming tech heartland?

Yes, there's even a shirt for it: https://www.homage.com/products/the-silicon-heartland

Makes sense for tech companies to be in the Columbus area, Ohio State has an excellent CS program.

The big markets in Columbus are banks and insurance.

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