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Some gut bacteria appear to communicate with the brain

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Post by kzrdude »

treeman79 wrote: post #65
kzrdude wrote: post #28

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Autoimmune Protocol diets commonly favour leafy greens a lot while telling you to avoid too starchy veg and everything in the potato-tomato family ("nightshades"). Very abbreviated it would be "eat green veg, fish and meat."

I did this when I was in constant horrific agony. Full body burning pain. Serious painkillers Just to not want to die. Tried 100% only Chicken green veggies and sweet potatoes. A Month later I was out kayaking twice a week. No need for painkillers.

What a pain, sorry to hear that and great that it worked.

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Post by keyP »

yesenadam wrote: post #141
keyP wrote: post #78

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Not sure what your point is here. I'm suggesting that dietary aspects were designed around the aspect of a gut-brain axis and praising that more research is going into the details. Similar to how we're seeing more research in the field of meditation and its impact on brain structure. Source on Ayurveda posits that palm reading is legitimate medicine?

https://www.google.com/search?q=ayurvedic+palm+reading

What does that have to do with medicine?

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Post by xvilka »

lumb63 wrote: post #51
ohyoutravel wrote: post #31

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It’s really interesting, and for me personally unfortunate that it seems to be a “crunchy” topic that’s regularly the domain of crystal healers and anti vaxxers and people who blame their maladies on “toxins in the body” because the science behind a microbiome growing from the food we eat and how we evolved seems pretty sound.

I share this sentiment. It seems that anything which has not yet been formally proven by academia is “not real” in the public eye and therefore all believers are cranks. We still have major gaps in our understanding of our bodies and our medicine, so to me it is ironic that the institutional science scoffs at things like the microbiome that we do not yet fully understand.

> major gaps in our understanding of our bodies

True. But it doesn't cancel the fact that most preachers of detoxication and such are cranks.

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Post by cafra »

thinkingemote wrote: post #33

I get gut pain sometimes, on a semi regular basis. The day before the pain hits I have mild-euphoria, clear thinking, positive outlook, lots of energy, more social and extravert. It's not normal. Something is going on with the brain and my gut. It's possible that it's endorphins being released to stop any pain ... but this is about 24 hours before the crippling cramps start, and it's more a mood shift than pain killi…

That sounds like an abdominal migraine. I've been a migraine sufferer for 13 years and that euphoria the day before is how I know it's coming.

How do you feel the day after the pain? Feeling utterly exhausted afterwards is also a common symptom.

I usually get the migraine pain in my head, but I've had a few abdominal migraines and they sound very similar to your symptoms. Maybe something to look into.

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

It is possible for a bacteria to evolve to release neurotransmitters etc.

There is a nervous system in the digestive system that is connected to the brain.

Therefore it is possible for a bacteria to evolve to influence the brain.

If it was possible for a bacteria to evolve to control their host then they would do so.

Therefore, they have done so.

Re: Some gut bacteria appear to communicate with the brain

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Post by geysersam »

user1029384756 wrote: post #37
popotamonga wrote: post #13

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I got the opposite experience. I have IBD and recently started on some potent probiotics. Suddenly my energy and focus went up 1000%. So this is how regular people healthy live wow. I used to be lethargic all the time for 30+ years.

Putting this out there in case it may help others: My mother suffered from GERD for years and years and about two years ago, her condition seemed to have taken a turn for the worse. We’re talking waking up in the middle of the night projectile vomiting. Constant heartburn, burping and indigestion after meals and daily constipation. The doctors were completely unable to help except to recommend antacids and possibly P…

Could you please point us to more information about this?

My girlfriend suffers from similar symptoms (but less severe).

Re: Some gut bacteria appear to communicate with the brain

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Post by dTal »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #166

It is possible for a bacteria to evolve to release neurotransmitters etc. There is a nervous system in the digestive system that is connected to the brain. Therefore it is possible for a bacteria to evolve to influence the brain. If it was possible for a bacteria to evolve to control their host then they would do so. Therefore, they have done so.

No doubt this is a reasonable inference chain that was dreamed up many decades ago. But science doesn't stop at inference chains. Now, armed with this hypothesis, we have to go and actually look. Which bacteria? How do they influence the brain? What evolutionary pressures exactly? Reading the article, it looks like we have answers to many of these questions.

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Post by myshpa »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #86
myshpa wrote: post #79

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Have you tried apple cider vinegar (ACV)? Works wonders. PPIs don't really treat GERD, imho it's one of those medicines to be used perpetually (good only for shareholders). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzxfoL82n8 - good explanation why/how ACV works and why PPIs don't, iirc

I was told me esophageal sphincter doesn't fully close. Would apple cider vinegar help keep my acid low?

"When you look at the data, blaming GERD on too much stomach acid doesn’t make sense. Stomach acid actually tends to decline, not rise, with age, while GERD risk increases with age. (4) In fact, 40-year-olds, on average, generate about half as much as stomach acid as 20-year-olds do. And, according to one study, over 40 percent of people age 80 and up may be producing almost no stomach acid at all."[4]

This condition is called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achlorhydria , and one of known side-effects of that is gastroesophageal reflux disease.

"The ideal pH for the stomach can approach 1 but should be below 3, where most pathogens cannot survive. When the pH rises above 5, several dangerous bacterial species are able to survive. Acid-blockers can increase the stomach’s pH ..."[4]

For lower esophageal sphincter to properly work, you in fact need normal levels of acid and proper acidity.[0][1][2][3] If you have the oposite, the sphincter does not fully close and boom, there's your heart burn.

The real mechanism of gerd is more complicated than "too much acid" or "acid too strong". I don't suggest you start drinking unwatered vinegar. I suggest you study the sources I've linked and only then decide for youself.

> I've seen vinegar recommended for GERD online before, but was curious whether there's much medical know-how behind it (studies or at least a clear theory of why it would help me vs. PPIs).

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzxfoL82n8

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhUTAw6wcK8

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkRrlJFDFdA

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_UWDPrDR40

[4] https://chriskresser.com/how-to-cure-gerd-without-medication...

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achlorhydria

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #145
rswail wrote: post #132

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Just a comment, using the term "mainstream medical system" is a "code smell" for me when discussing medical science. Have you had your gut biota analyzed to see whether there is a basis for your inflammation issues? Yes, "big pharma" has a lot of control, but medical research is not entirely driven by them, particularly outside of the US. It sounds like you remade your gut biota via various paths. "Traditional" medic…

Important to note, a guy boita analysis is a snapshot in time, and to make decisions with that in mind. The best indicators of gut health are: Minimum flatulence and burping, or at least being aware of what you put in contributes to what you off-gas; stools should be well formed, easy to pass, mid to dark brown, about the size of your index fingers and thumbs on both hands touching to form an elongated, and not malod…

Gut. I meant gut not guy.
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