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Some gut bacteria appear to communicate with the brain

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Ayurveda posits that palm reading is legitimate medicine. The notion that gut health impacts mental wellbeing is obvious. The specifics of it are less so.

Not sure what your point is here. I'm suggesting that dietary aspects were designed around the aspect of a gut-brain axis and praising that more research is going into the details. Similar to how we're seeing more research in the field of meditation and its impact on brain structure. Source on Ayurveda posits that palm reading is legitimate medicine?

https://www.google.com/search?q=ayurvedic+palm+reading

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I got the opposite experience. I have IBD and recently started on some potent probiotics. Suddenly my energy and focus went up 1000%. So this is how regular people healthy live wow. I used to be lethargic all the time for 30+ years.

Putting this out there in case it may help others: My mother suffered from GERD for years and years and about two years ago, her condition seemed to have taken a turn for the worse. We’re talking waking up in the middle of the night projectile vomiting. Constant heartburn, burping and indigestion after meals and daily constipation. The doctors were completely unable to help except to recommend antacids and possibly P…

I think you mean Kefir. "Kaffir" is a racial slur in South Africa, derived from the Arabic "Kafir" for non-believer [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaffir_(racial_term)

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In the last three years, something related to my gut-brain connection got fucked. I'm not sure if it was some kind of post-viral inflammation causing stress, or stress of isolation causing inflammation. But it's definitely a two way street and mine got completely stuck in a feedback loop. The mainstream medical system failed to help me. Eventually some functional medicine doctors managed to help me improve via diet,…

If you really wanna crank up the woo, my most recent addition to gut health is a good dry needling practitioner, and a good osteopath / chiropractor - preferably one who does both and understands the importance of the vagus nerve.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagus_nerve

Also good to learn some self-massage for the abdomen, and diaphragmatic breathing too.

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Isn’t the United States already doing this with McDonald’s and Coca Cola? /s

Wheat and corn /s

We joke but it is actually worrying that most commercialized grains, corn, and their byproducts can do a lot of damage over time. Our guts aren't built to digest these things to begin with, and that's not even considering the toxins involved in the growing environments and manufacturing processes of this stuff.

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In the last three years, something related to my gut-brain connection got fucked. I'm not sure if it was some kind of post-viral inflammation causing stress, or stress of isolation causing inflammation. But it's definitely a two way street and mine got completely stuck in a feedback loop. The mainstream medical system failed to help me. Eventually some functional medicine doctors managed to help me improve via diet,…

Just a comment, using the term "mainstream medical system" is a "code smell" for me when discussing medical science. Have you had your gut biota analyzed to see whether there is a basis for your inflammation issues? Yes, "big pharma" has a lot of control, but medical research is not entirely driven by them, particularly outside of the US. It sounds like you remade your gut biota via various paths. "Traditional" medic…

Important to note, a guy boita analysis is a snapshot in time, and to make decisions with that in mind.

The best indicators of gut health are:

Minimum flatulence and burping, or at least being aware of what you put in contributes to what you off-gas; stools should be well formed, easy to pass, mid to dark brown, about the size of your index fingers and thumbs on both hands touching to form an elongated, and not malodorous.

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>"Traditional" medicines are "medicines" when they get through a set of actual medical clinical trials, after which they are called "medicine". To be fair, Tylenol almost certainly wouldn't pass clinical trials today. Selling a drug OTC that so easily causes organ(liver) damage? Ridiculous. So would most NSAIDS-- as those cause stomach bleeding even in regular clinical doses. That also would imply that companies had…

In addition most traditional medicine is centered around use of whole herbs. Lots of times there's complex processing that goes into it, but it's still something you can often just... grow. Clinical trials are extremely expensive and with the incentive system we have right now it'd make 0 sense for a company to invest in proving that something you can grow in your backyard can help treat something The WHO on the othe…

I think people who do more for their health are generally healthier.

Whatever medicine whoever is using at the end the best way to stay healthy is exercise, good clean living conditions and a healthy diet.

No need for medicine unless you are ill

Re: Some gut bacteria appear to communicate with the brain

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Just a comment, using the term "mainstream medical system" is a "code smell" for me when discussing medical science. Have you had your gut biota analyzed to see whether there is a basis for your inflammation issues? Yes, "big pharma" has a lot of control, but medical research is not entirely driven by them, particularly outside of the US. It sounds like you remade your gut biota via various paths. "Traditional" medic…

>"Traditional" medicines are "medicines" when they get through a set of actual medical clinical trials, after which they are called "medicine". To be fair, Tylenol almost certainly wouldn't pass clinical trials today. Selling a drug OTC that so easily causes organ(liver) damage? Ridiculous. So would most NSAIDS-- as those cause stomach bleeding even in regular clinical doses. That also would imply that companies had…

Can you provide some references regarding the bleeding in normal doses? Honestly curious whats safer than ibuprofenum these days.

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>"Traditional" medicines are "medicines" when they get through a set of actual medical clinical trials, after which they are called "medicine". To be fair, Tylenol almost certainly wouldn't pass clinical trials today. Selling a drug OTC that so easily causes organ(liver) damage? Ridiculous. So would most NSAIDS-- as those cause stomach bleeding even in regular clinical doses. That also would imply that companies had…

In addition most traditional medicine is centered around use of whole herbs. Lots of times there's complex processing that goes into it, but it's still something you can often just... grow. Clinical trials are extremely expensive and with the incentive system we have right now it'd make 0 sense for a company to invest in proving that something you can grow in your backyard can help treat something The WHO on the othe…

This is not meant to be a flippant or politically-charged question… but why do you trust the WHO after their massive debacle rubberstamping China’s initial lies about COVID and legitimizing them by sending a dog and pony show to “investigate”?

Re: Some gut bacteria appear to communicate with the brain

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I believe it for anecdodal reasons. Since a few years ago I started eating vegetables and whole foods and greek yogurt, cottage cheese, my cravings for what foods I want to eat and what foods I like have changed so much. I can't stand the foods I used to love, and I love always having veggies now in my food. I'm always joking with my partner that my gut bacteria have mindcontrolled me and that I'm a zombie for my gut…

I did a project during undergrad looking at the connection between the microbiome and food cravings. Mostly anecdotal evidence from what I could find but the theory makes sense conceptually. Stay with me..

The microbes that live in the gut can influence the way we feel in a bunch of positive and negative ways (could give sources but just google it).

Microbes are just little machines programmed by evolution. They're designed to optimally survive in a specific environment and get better at it over time. Most of the microbes in the gut have been with us for a long time so they've done some evolving.

Microbes don't actively think but their behavior and metabolism are still optimized by evolution. They can react to avoid being killed, to eat and to reproduce all without "thinking".

Each microbe also has a pretty specific diet. The microbes that enjoy greek yogurt don't often like chicken nuggets.

Microbes that could influence their host to consume food the microbes liked would be more fit to survive. Same thing for influencing their host to consume less food they dislike (or a competing microbe likes).

Influencing the host sounds complicated but it could be as simple as increasing the concentration of a byproduct when food concentrations of the environment are low. That byproduct could make the host tired or give them a stomachache or whatever else. With the brain connection, the possible range of these effects is broad.

If this trait was developed at anytime, it most likely got passed down to present day microbes.

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