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German cartel office initiates proceedings against PayPal

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Re: German cartel office initiates proceedings against PayPal

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Germany did that too, multiple times and nobody used them. So they all died. The only really successful system was the EC-Card, which for decades was as popular as Credit Cards in other countries. But it will be dead in some months for reasons, probably because it's too old school?

EC cards, when they first came out, were revolutionary and way better than the credit cards of old. Eventually, though they became increasingly unusual, mostly thanks to the internet (no way to pay with them there. They had a hidden creditcard-like number, but you would never know), and are now dying because enough banks have started handing out creditcardesque debit cards which work on the internet. Of course this a…

> way better than the credit cards of old

They were more secure (no surprise there). The lack of security was known, but the risk was with the vendor who generally accepted it as cost of doing business. With the more secure EC cards like with the new-ish chip-enhanced CC, the (lower, remaining) risk is with the customer. Not sure, whether that is 'better'.

Re: German cartel office initiates proceedings against PayPal

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> See US company take giant market share in online payments in your country What's PayPal actual market share in Germany? I'd guess it's used to pay US based vendors. Why would anyone use it to pay European vendors, when bank-to-bank transfers work (for 40+ years) fast (on-line before the WWW) and cheap?

Paypal’s major convenience is instant payment integrated into the checkout process without having to give your bank credentials (full access to your bank account) to a third party like Klarna. PayPal has the largest market share in Germany besides bank transfer after invoice (both roughly 30% market share), meaning it has the largest market share for instant payments.

Re: German cartel office initiates proceedings against PayPal

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> See US company take giant market share in online payments in your country What's PayPal actual market share in Germany? I'd guess it's used to pay US based vendors. Why would anyone use it to pay European vendors, when bank-to-bank transfers work (for 40+ years) fast (on-line before the WWW) and cheap?

PayPal is very common in German online shops. This is probably because credit cards aren't common in Germany, so before Visa Debit was introduced, it was one of the few convenient ways to pay online.

Bank transfers are sometimes possible, but honestly does anyone anywhere use them for online payments? Transfers still usually take a couple of days to go through.

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3. Everyone starts using debit cards (which actually works in Europe, unlike my experience with BBVA in USA), PayPal slowly disappears into obscurity. 4. No profit.

Actually, I would hope SEPA QR would replace American cards altogether. Cut out the middle men, we dont need them. Tech is all there.

Re: German cartel office initiates proceedings against PayPal

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What makes it "uniquely" behind as opposed to other countries that aren't part of that list of "several"?

Being dramatically richer than all of them, mainly

you can also be richer if you just tax people more. it's a solved problem

Re: German cartel office initiates proceedings against PayPal

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Just for fun, seems easily susceptible to a man-in-the-middle attack. Just take a postcard, copy their code, discard the original card, or just send the original later than the copy. :)

Yes, but then you are stealing mail. Which is bad. For a relatively small payoff.

stealing mail is also punishable with jail time basically everywhere. they take that stuff seriously
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