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Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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> I created an OpenAI account solely so I could ask was it worth it? no. Feel free to ask OpenAi whatever happens to amuse you. Please don't waste the rest of our time or attention or bandwidth on it. Nobody cares.

I also appreciated the post, however, I did not appreciate yours.

When AI submits content you don't appreciate, who will you complain to?

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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> I created an OpenAI account solely so I could ask was it worth it? no. Feel free to ask OpenAi whatever happens to amuse you. Please don't waste the rest of our time or attention or bandwidth on it. Nobody cares.

I care, because I think OpenAI is still endlessly fascinating.

Make your own account and go to town! No need to report back here though.

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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So 12 minutes of oxygen, i just learn that

Pilots are trained in a loss of pressure situation to reduce aircraft altitude (fly down) until the decompression is no longer dangerous. So even with no mask on, the most you will experience is a short period of unconsciousness.

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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apparently Ocean Infinity, the private salvage search company mentioned in the article that spent millions on a "no find no fee" search for MH370 is committing to doing it again this or next year: https://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/t85bdv/ocean_infinit... how exactly do these guys fund themselves? this must be a horrendously expensive enterprise and fairly infrequent at that.

They have other customers. Even if they don't find it, this is great advertising for them, and gives them a reason to test their technology. And if they do find it, even better advertising. I wouldn't be surprised if their negotiated finders fee from Malaysia is still below cost.

If they _do_ find it, they'll be getting reported for _decades_ for having found it. Putting a marketing value to that is… incredibly difficult.

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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The methodology of using aircraft scatter of radio signals encoded in the WSPR protocol is described in [1]. I was so sceptical when I heard about this - mainly due to the normally mangled reporting in mainstream media - that I really didn't think there was any merit in it. The thought of being able to detect aircraft scatter using very low power HF signals over variable ionospheric propagation conditions at long ran…

I took a look at this a few months ago, and when I left off, I was unsure exactly how they conducted the validation of the technique. In particular, there was a test on June 3 2021 where they attempted to reconstruct the path of a flight from Samoa to Australia[1]. Certain phrases in the report leave me wondering whether the test simply amounted to looking for anomalies in the WSPRnet data in close spatiotemoral prox…

Thank you for the link and I need to spend some time to read the details. It was stated in the paper I read that tracking one of the proving flights failed but other flights had data which correlated to part of an aircraft's flight path.

I agree with your analysis that some pre-knowledge of the track is apparent here and therefore more fully blinded independent experiments would be needed to add credibility.

Given the number of airline flights at any one time and the near constant WSPR radio traffic I would have thought there is enough raw data out there to conduct further research. There may a PhD in this for someone :-)

I do worry, as implied in your emphasis, that the temporal resolution is very low. Given that the transmit time of all symbols is approx 110.6 seconds [1] plus the time for a WSPRnet station to decode a message will translate into spatial errors of various magnitudes proportional to the speed of the target aircraft, but perhaps this has been factored in.

I do remain intrigued enough to try and learn more about the robustness of the techniques.

[1] https://swharden.com/software/FSKview/wspr/

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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I don't think you can open the door on a 777 in flight. For comparison the plane that D B Cooper used had a stairway in the back(sometimes called airstairs). He was able to override the in flight lock and get out that way. My understanding is that the db cooper incident is in a large part why they don't put airstairs on planes any more. But now you have me watching videos on 777 doors. they open outward than forwards…

>incident is in a large part why they don't put airstairs on planes any more. They don't do it because it's completely inefficient to carry this weight and waste this space from economic point of view. It's way better to carry few more paying passengers instead. They still carry things like this on private jets, i.e. Golfstream.

An airstair is literally just any built-in stairway on an aircraft—it doesn't have to be at the back. They continue to exist as options on the 737 and A320 families to this day, and are disproportionately specified by low-cost carriers (Ryanair have a lot of their 737s with them, for example), as although they're a weight penalty they decrease ground equipment required to service the aircraft (reducing costs), and can be deployed almost as quickly as the door can be opened helping reducing turnaround times (increasing sectors flown per day).

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Fascinating article. I had a chuckle at this excerpt: >The Malaysian investigators did look into whether the cargo could have started a fire, noting that it consisted mainly of ripe mangosteen fruits along with a small number of lithium batteries. Extensive attempts by the investigators to get mangosteen juice to react with the batteries and trigger a fire were unsuccessful. I'm sure plenty of people here have spent…

Strikes me as a desperate attempt to save face and explain away the most plausible explanation - that one of their pilots committed an atrocity.

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Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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> but they could fly into a mountain too if they felt like it Don't know if you said that with this crash in mind or not, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

Yes. Fundamentally, if the pilot of an airliner wants to crash, they will be able to crash. With very rare exceptions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornfield_Bomber

There's a lot of automation around commercial air travel, so autonomous commercial flying is an easier problem than city driving. The argument against it tends to be that you need a human behind the stick in cases like the miracle on the Hudson. The other side of this is it's about as likely a pilot intentionally crashes the plane.

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Given that the very flight in question had Inmarsat equipment on board, I think it's fair to be at least somewhat surprised by the lack of periodic location updates. But technology in aviation moves (generally for very good reasons!) at a different pace than in many other industries, and in this case it unfortunately meant having an operational satellite communications system on board (used for engine performance dat…

I will say it seems utterly bonkers, given the cost of airliners, that we're talking about transmission costs on the order of minutes and not doing per-second updates. Admittedly a lot of this was before our new era of satellite constellations, but surely the future should now be "per second updates and streaming audio/video via satellite"?

Airliners are expensive, but satellites are even more so.

Also there's a whole lot of air traffic.

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I didn't say it was a bad idea with no legitimate purpose, just that it's pretty creepy. Given that it's only been used to commit mass murder ~once (at most), it's probably not worth implementing any mitigating controls.

If the pilots want to kill you, all they have to do is fly into the ground, and there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop them and nothing short of complete automation could ever remove that risk. I can't think of scenarios where the pilots would particularly want to survive after murdering all their passengers.

With https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_702 when the co-pilot hijacked the plane to ask for political asylum in Switzerland, I remember news coverage reporting that he had threatened the passengers to cut off the air supply if they didn't remain seated.

Must have been quite distressing.

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