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Re: Making chloroform so I can sleep better at night [video]

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Excuse me sir, but are you implying that in 1993 at WrestleMania 9 when Giant Gonzalez knocked out the Undertaker using a chloroform soaked rag that it was all fake? If so then mister, I think you are full of crap. /s

Professional wrestling got a lot more fun and cool when I realized it isn't "fake", because it isn't trying to be real because it's actually supposed to be modern day Shakespeare

Roland Barthes agrees. Check this essay he wrote in the 60s about wrestling.

https://archive.org/details/barthes-world-of-wrestling/mode/...

Re: Making chloroform so I can sleep better at night [video]

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post #72

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But my lab manager did walk in at one point and immediately recoiled from the fumes (which we were nose-deaf to at that point). I don't know whether it's true or not, but I remember a chemistry lecturer telling me that you don't need to worry about terrible smells in the lab, our noses are sensitive to extremely miniscule levels of chemicals. It's when the levels are so high that they have overpowered our senses and…

More or less, but with caveats. It's true that many smells (eg H2S, HCN) are detectable before toxic levels, and then become un-smellable at higher levels (saturates and depletes olfactory receptors). But you should still worry about certain terrible smells, because that's often the first sign that something is going wrong. Containment failure, reaction runaway, maybe someone dumped the wrong thing in the wrong waste…

I pass along this amusing advice, no doubt familiar to you, but probably not to the general HN readership.

"Gattermann (Ann. 357, 318 (1907)) recommends that the operator smoke during the preparation [of HCN], for he found that a trace of hydrogen cyanide is sufficient to give the tobacco smoke a highly characteristic flavor. This preliminary warning is useful in case of leaky apparatus or a faulty hood" - from Org Syn http://www.orgsyn.org/demo.aspx?prep=CV1P0314

Re: Making chloroform so I can sleep better at night [video]

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post #110

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I'm not offended by the volume he's producing, just the act of doing low value chemistry work at home making something gross, it will get repeated by less capable viewers in uncontrolled environments. On the other hand, I always thought things like anarchist cookbook and erowid type stuff is great for knowledge sharing. I don't think there should be a monopoly on knowing how to do stuff but this is different, maybe t…

> …it will get repeated by less capable viewers in uncontrolled environments. Maybe. I dunno, I’ve been active in underground chemistry forums for 15 years at this point, and the thing it drove home to me is that 99.9% of the people on there are armchair chemists, and only a tiny fraction actually do any home chemistry. It’s all exciting to read about and watch, but for the most part people steer clear (for sane, goo…

I run a fairly well-known organic chemistry website. Occasionally I receive notes from amateur chemists who want advice on various aspects of lab prep. Sometimes they are amusing, like getting late night calls from amateur CBD chemists. Other times they are scary. Two of my correspondents turned out to be so completely in over their heads there was no helping them.

One guy, a former electrical engineer, was making elemental chlorine and pirahna solution in his condo. The other was convinced he was close to finding a new drug for curing cancer - he sent me a Chemdraw file with impossible structures - and was hell bent on fluorinating a compound using DAST.

I had to cut off all contact with both, lest it be seen that I was aiding and abetting their reckless behavior...

Re: Making chloroform so I can sleep better at night [video]

#124
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me sir, but are you implying that in 1993 at WrestleMania 9 when Giant Gonzalez knocked out the Undertaker using a chloroform soaked rag that it was all fake? If so then mister, I think you are full of crap. /s

Professional wrestling got a lot more fun and cool when I realized it isn't "fake", because it isn't trying to be real because it's actually supposed to be modern day Shakespeare

Same! Learning it was fake ruined it. And then realizing that it’s in on being “fake” and that it’s a soap opera made me appreciate it a lot.

And “fake” may cover the results of the matches but it doesn’t cover how intense it is on their bodies. Olympic wrestling is probably a far easier sport on the body.

Re: Making chloroform so I can sleep better at night [video]

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Chloroform is great for extractions (if you don't care about the environment) because it sinks to the bottom of a sep funnel, but the thing about it being a knockout gas or sleep aid is complete BS. Based on an unpublished study of about 4 degenerate chemistry undergrads: - It PROBABLY takes several minutes of inhalation through a saturated rag to induce full loss of consciousness, although shorter times do produce n…

> Harm reduction re: consumption of USP 99.9% ethanol According to Ignition! by John Clark, high-purity ethanol used for rocket fuel undergoes a similar phenomenon when in storage tanks near rocket scientists and Navy personnel. Interesting to see that this also occurs in the proximity of undergrads. Study operators claimed that dissolving the ethanol in H2O, or, preferably, lime juice and/or soda water, merits furth…

The earliest HDDs were not sealed and required regular maintenance to clean the heads manually; you were supposed to use ethanol or isopropanol for that purpose. There was a story from late Soviet times about this - since they lagged quite badly when it came to computing, even in late 80s there was still plenty of hardware around like that. And for every such hard drive, there would be accounting to track the amount of ethanol issued, so the engineers had to make do with what they could skim after the cleaning.

But then around that time some better stuff began to trickle in - instead of 3-5 Mb HDDs, you could get a whopping 30 Mb! Those were sealed and required no cleaning... but the legend goes that, in one such place, it occurred to the engineers that accounting doesn't know that. So, instead, they submitted a request to procure more ethanol for cleaning, on the basis that a 30 Mb hard drive would obviously need 6 times as much for servicing as a 5 Mb one does. It was approved, and the arrangement lasted until the head of the department caught someone drunk and traced the source.

(Another version of this legend has a slight variation in that the engineers submitted a request for more than 6x, deliberately making a mistake in math to make it look like a clumsy attempt to get more. Accounting promptly "caught" it and gave them a stern lecture about how they're not getting even one drop over what the proper number required... i.e. 6x.)

Re: Making chloroform so I can sleep better at night [video]

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post #21

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It could well be a similar phenomenon to how silencers on firearms absolutely do not make a gun sound like it sounds in the movies, but because it's become an established (and convenient) film trope, it persists in film. Similarly - films depicting kidnapping people using chloroform as an instant knockout drug.

Suppressed subsonic 300 blackout is pretty darn close to the movies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AUDVoGOCxw

Not when you're standing right next to it with no ear protection. The peak is still going to be on the order of 115-125 dB at the muzzle even with the best can. This is well within hearing-safe territory (As others have noted, recording equipment doesn't register these levels reliably, so watching a recording does not reflect the actual experience.

Re: Making chloroform so I can sleep better at night [video]

#127
post #21

Chloroform is great for extractions (if you don't care about the environment) because it sinks to the bottom of a sep funnel, but the thing about it being a knockout gas or sleep aid is complete BS. Based on an unpublished study of about 4 degenerate chemistry undergrads: - It PROBABLY takes several minutes of inhalation through a saturated rag to induce full loss of consciousness, although shorter times do produce n…

It could well be a similar phenomenon to how silencers on firearms absolutely do not make a gun sound like it sounds in the movies, but because it's become an established (and convenient) film trope, it persists in film. Similarly - films depicting kidnapping people using chloroform as an instant knockout drug.

It's not just silencers - movies and video games are generally bad at gunshots. For good reasons - if you make them as loud as they ought to be, even to the limits of the recording equipment (since you'd need to go well into the hearing-unsafe territory), they'll drown out everything else.

There are exceptions. The famous shootout scene from "Heat" does a surprisingly good job at conveying just how deafening gunfire really is close up, for a movie. Although even that is much milder than it would be IRL, due to use of blanks and the aforementioned equipment limitations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL9fnVtz_lc (shooting starts around 4:20)

Re: Making chloroform so I can sleep better at night [video]

#128
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could well be a similar phenomenon to how silencers on firearms absolutely do not make a gun sound like it sounds in the movies, but because it's become an established (and convenient) film trope, it persists in film. Similarly - films depicting kidnapping people using chloroform as an instant knockout drug.

It's not just silencers - movies and video games are generally bad at gunshots. For good reasons - if you make them as loud as they ought to be, even to the limits of the recording equipment (since you'd need to go well into the hearing-unsafe territory), they'll drown out everything else. There are exceptions. The famous shootout scene from "Heat" does a surprisingly good job at conveying just how deafening gunfire…

That scene was pretty interesting but can’t help notice that all the automatic guns just fired endlessly. There were a few reloads but it’s astonishing how fast you go through 30 rounds and they were firing way longer uninterrupted. On another note that final shot was amazing cinematography.

Re: Making chloroform so I can sleep better at night [video]

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I'm a recovering nitrous oxide addict so this is interesting, but people should proceed with caution. I didn't know laughing gas could be addictive for some people until it was too late. In the film Cider House Rules, Michael Caine plays a doctor addicted to ether for sleep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cider_House_Rules_(film) Google result: Is chloroform stronger than ether? Fluothane and chloroform produced si…

I'm sure you know but PSA for those that don't: N2O is practically the only "safe" inhalant. Others, like gasoline, computer duster, urinal pucks, etc. have a risk of causing spontaneous heart attacks even in young healthy users. N2O's main physical risk is B12 deficiency, or asphyxiating if you use a mask.

I read that the feeling of needing to breathe is actually triggered by CO2 buildup, not oxygen deprivation. So if you breathe pure N2O, you might lose that warning that you need to breathe oxygen. When I played with N2O, I noticed that the high was more intense if I rebreathed or otherwise deprived myself of oxygen. And it also would cause cognitive issues in the weeks after taking it, probably due to oxygen deprivation. I stopped taking N2O after that.
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