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How the Xbox 360 knows if your hard drive is genuine

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Re: How the Xbox 360 knows if your hard drive is genuine

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post #83

Why would they care if my hard drive is genuine? For the PS3, PS4 and PS5 i just bought a hard drive (ssd for the ps5) matching their specs, installed it inside and gamed on. For the xbox you have to buy hard drives from Microsoft? Edit: please don't tell me about usb drives hanging off your console. I don't like stuff hanging off my console.

Just get a usb extension cord

Re: How the Xbox 360 knows if your hard drive is genuine

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post #76
post #68

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>their actions show a great deal of respect towards the ingenuity of console hackers, because if they didn't, they would've never bothered to do such an effort thwarting them. dude. The irony. They bricked our machines and joked about it. They had a fellowship with the FBI. They (MS and EA) threw OP, the author of this fkn submission, in jail. Their own Terms of Service and Policy Enforcement page still brags about "…

Yes. I agree. > Make no mistake, MS and Xbox still hate us. I should point out that I was not suggesting there was a good relationship between console hackers and Microsoft. Quote from me again: > respect towards the ingenuity of console hackers I did not say they had respect for the people , or that what they were doing was good, or anything like that. I'm claiming that from a security standpoint, they took the thre…

Some Xbox hackers were arrested but it's fair. Some people stole hardware. This is interesting read. https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/45/

Re: How the Xbox 360 knows if your hard drive is genuine

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post #115

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Xbone is not hacked because nobody care about essentially a boring pc without any memorable games. It will remain in history as another Microsoft marketing disaster. One day it will eventually and silently destroyed to be emulated like all ancient arcades and microcomputer games protections. Every protection can and will be broken. Regarding unsuccessful money grab, Idea that Microsoft minds forsaw that people will w…

> Xbone is not hacked because nobody care about essentially a boring pc without any memorable games. No, it's because MS gave them the keys right out of the gate with Dev Mode.

Anyway mission successful

Re: How the Xbox 360 knows if your hard drive is genuine

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I don't get this. Hacking was huge on the 360, as was piracy that JTAG thing using the cooler runner and browning out the processor after slowing it, there were multiple mod chips and finally the ODEs coming out the wazhoo. The funny thing about security is it's about the weakest links they find. So you can harden link A as much as you want if link B is a dud all the extra work on A was wasted energy. What's most imp…

I had an xecuter mod on the first Xbox and a 2TB hard drive, you could do so many many things with Xbox Media Center on the very first Xbox - FTP your games over. TBH the Xbox 360 console was like a refresh of XBMC. One of the greatest things about the 360 out of the box was it played popular video codecs directly from USB storage - unmodded! Unheard of at the time. I had an early model PSX console in high school and…

>TBH the Xbox 360 console was like a refresh of XBMC.

According to sources, a modified original Xbox running the latest XBMC was put on the center podium, was shown off, and the executives had ordered the engineers to "make the new xbox do this"...and it was.

Re: How the Xbox 360 knows if your hard drive is genuine

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post #15

May the logo have been included so that the security sector could not be distributed under copyright law?

That was my thought upon reading that as well. I think Nintendo pioneered this strategy with the Gameboy - if the cartridge didn't start by showing the Nintendo logo, the Gameboy would not boot. And if you used the Nintendo logo without licensing it, it was trademark infringement. Clever way to prevent un-licensed third-party cartridges.

Sega tried the same thing by having a check for the word SEGA at a certain ROM location on the cartridge for Genesis/Mega Drive games. They were smacked down in federal court in Sega v. Accolade.

Re: How the Xbox 360 knows if your hard drive is genuine

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This is the same sort of bullshit that HP has done with their computer hard drives, but with an even more elaborate lock-in by Microsoft in this case. The HP computers came with an OEM Windows CD so you could re-install the OS after replacing a bad hard drive, but if you chose to replace the hard drive with anything other than a "genuine" HP replacement part, the Windows installation would fail. Note that the HP repl…

HP has always been a pain in unusual ways. I try to avoid them after some time (years ago) in a warranty center.

Be glad it came with an OEM disc at all, instead of the burn your own 7 DVD system they used to use.

Do they still use whitelists for replacement hardware? A WLAN card shouldn't stop a whole machine from working.

Do you still have to tattoo the motherboard with the feature byte when you replace one?

Re: How the Xbox 360 knows if your hard drive is genuine

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Re: How the Xbox 360 knows if your hard drive is genuine

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post #56

Microsoft really seemed to be ahead of the curve with console security. They really thought this through back in 2005 or so, to the point where clearly, they knew people would hack the drives to rewrite the serial number. It's probably for the best that they never actually did anything about the knowledge that gave them, but they clearly stayed a step ahead of the game. As much as I hate it, their actions show a grea…

I love the newest entrant to the console wars, who decided to just run their game store on a Linux computer, optimize the UX a bit and make it all work great with its chosen hardware. Currently maybe a bit underpowered, but shows great promise and I believe the Steam Deck has a bright future in front of it.

Re: How the Xbox 360 knows if your hard drive is genuine

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post #106

Interesting post but was really hoping to understand why some of my saves wouldn't transfer to other 360 consoles. Back when the "red ring of death" was more common, I would be issued a replacement console. When I snapped my hard drive back in and turned on Ninja Gaiden 2, I wouldn't be able to continue my progress. I had the unfortunate luck of this happening several times to me and I eventually quit playing that ga…

There are "transfer flags" on content items that control whether they could be copied/moved.

Good to know! Back in the days my friend and I figured out that if we bought Xbox Live Arcade games on someone's console with the other person's account, both would effectively own the full game and could play it (albeit not at the same time). We used this scheme to share account passwords and get more Gamerscore out of some titles. My then 14-year old self was quite disappointed to find out he lost all shared games when his console was replaced after a RRoD. I guess these games weren't transferable.
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