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NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

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I'm mostly surprised that anybody gets any mail any more.

How else would inmates communicate with family and friends?

Phone? Cost prohibitive in most states. Internet? Banned or several restricted in many places. In person visitation? Hard to schedule, especially if you aren't being held near your family's residence.

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It seems pretty relevant here. Both prisons and the police are part of the government monopoly on violence.

The article is about prison mail. It has nothing to do with police officers and does not mention the "government monopoly on violence."

The OP is talking about why these kinds of things exist.

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>not to mention most porn has connection to sex trafficking. Citation needed

They are probably referring to cases like the Pornhub scandal, GirlsDoPorn or recently arrested Andrew Tate who is alleged to have lured and exploited young women for camgirl work.

Of the entire body of porn in existence, is it closer to 2% or 51% that is trafficking-implicated?

Is "some"? Yes. Is "most"? I seriously doubt it.

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"The kinds of people in there" are not very different from you or me and treating them as other is merely a cognitive opioid to comfort ourselves with treating prisoners with cruelty.

There are some in prison that screwed up and want to change. Many in prison would slit a throat, scam, mug, assault, rape etc without any kind of remorse. These people are not like you and I. Some of these do some variation of “find Jesus” and try and change. Many do not. Or they take decades to change ways. At Some point dangerous people need to be locked away. Fear of punishment is the only thing that keeps a small…

Minority of the prison population is there because of a violent crime *.

There's no reason to assume the majority would committed violence at the first chance they get since they didn't do that while outside of prison.

* Violent crimes often include things such as drug dealing even when no actual violence occured.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty directly relevant to the article.

How so? The article is about prison mail. It doesn't even mention police officers and police officers have nothing to do with prison mail.

What's the big deal? People on HN explore adjacent topics quite frequently, and the idea that both police and prisons exist to exert power over (and frequently choose to exercise violence upon) the population is a very common and uncontroversial feeling.

Not trying to "out" you here, just trying to understand why you're fighting so hard on their behalf, but do you maybe have a friend or relative that works in the police? Nothing wrong with it, but I have seen that this causes people to be more willing to turn a blind eye towards (or even to outright forgive and excuse) some of the darker things they do. Often viewing them as victims to be defended, while many of the rest of us tend to want the police to be more accountable and generally less violent.

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I feel like the prison system is the victim of perverse incentives. The goal given to them is "house this person securely for a specific length of time at the lowest cost possible ". They are rewarded for cutting costs. But the total cost we pay is the cost to imprison this person the second and third time when they re-offend. It's the policing costs when they're homeless because they can't find housing or get a job.…

Going a step further, we can reduce costs by funding social services that help prevent people from ending up in prison in the first place. I agree with your assessment of our Calvinist thinking.

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Corrections officers are sworn officers in many (all?) states. Typically under an elected sheriff at the county level.

There is a pretty huge difference between corrections officers working for the department of corrections and police officers working for the police department.

Depends on the jurisdiction.

Where I am (Jefferson County, KY), corrections officers are routinely used as additional back-up during protests or other times when the police feel they need more manpower. They are also routinely hired to work as security when they are off duty, where they wear their uniforms and are allowed to make arrests.

In my jurisdiction, they are legally a type of sworn law enforcement officer and regularly appear in public in ways that are more-or-less indistinguishable from police officers.

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I can see why on the surface this may seem like a good idea: reduce contraband. On the other hand it may just increase the take of corrupt prison officials.

But why privatize it? If the goal is to reduce contraband digitizing makes sense. This just seems like a new way to for prisons to make money. Digitizing is cheap, certainly no more expensive than hand delivering mail. Privatized prisons should be arguably be abolished. Granting them new sources of revenue is appalling.

I don't disagree. These should be run as non-profits (which are not a cure-all either but slightly better). However note that prison privatization is not a US only thing --it's being adopted by many countries around the world.

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I feel like the prison system is the victim of perverse incentives. The goal given to them is "house this person securely for a specific length of time at the lowest cost possible ". They are rewarded for cutting costs. But the total cost we pay is the cost to imprison this person the second and third time when they re-offend. It's the policing costs when they're homeless because they can't find housing or get a job.…

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